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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Isabel Robertson on Monday 20 April 20 14:26 BST (UK)
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My great aunt Alison Thomson(18) travelled on the Diogenes from London to Sydney Australia in September 1925. She travelled with a Michael Shannon(58). I can find no trace of her after leaving London. I wonder if anyone has come across her in their family trees
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Could you please provide the names of Alison’s parents and maiden name of her mother. Did Alison have a middle name?
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My great aunt Alison Thomson(18)
She is Alice Thomson on the passenger list and no apparent link between her and Michael Shannon - they have separate passenger numbers
Her last address is shown as Rosscandle Cottage California Falkirk? She is shown as a domestic
Shannons address was Main St Polmant?
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Hi Isabel,
Can you please confirm if you are seeking info about Alison THOMSON, or about ALICE THOMSON or about Michael SHANNON... :D
There is a marriage registered in the Newtown district (of Sydney) New South Wales in 1933 for an Alice Thomson. NSW BDM registrations are usually full of family history info including for marriages:
For both the bride and the groom: full names (often including former, previous alternative etc), occupation, usual place of residence, conjugal status (bachelor/spinster, divorcee, widow/er), where and when she/he was born, sometimes even the exact date of birth, the father's name, sometimes occupation, and mother's maiden name (and if any parent is known to be deceased).
https://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/family-history-research/registry-records.aspx
NSW BDM has Official Transcription Agents, and they offer an excellent alternative to the 'real deal' certificates. I cannot tell from the online index IF this lass would be connected to your enquiry.
JM
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There is a marriage registered in the Newtown district (of Sydney) New South Wales in 1933 for an Alice Thomson.
JM
Date of marriage 31/12/1932 is listed under Alice THOMSON and Elizabeth A. THOMSON
2795/1933 Thomas G. MILNE and Alice THOMSON; Newtown
2795/1933 Thomas G. MILNE and Elizabeth A. THOMSON; Newtown
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Her parents were Daniel Thomson and Elizabeth Watson. Her middle name was Watson
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You don't give any info as to where she was born.
Have you checked out the 1931 marriage in Polmont (Falkirk) of Alice Watson Thomson to Alexander Boyd which is on SP. There is a marriage in 1886 Polmont which may be her parents but that seems a long time if she was only born 1907
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
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You don't give any info as to where she was born.
Have you checked out the 1931 marriage in Polmont (Falkirk) of Alice Watson Thomson to Alexander Boyd which is on SP. There is a marriage in 1886 Polmont which may be her parents but that seems a long time if she was only born 1907
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
[/quote that s not her. Must be a relation though
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Could you please provide the names of Alison’s parents and maiden name of her mother. Did Alison have a middle name?
Alices parents were Daniel Thomson and Elizabeth Sneddon Watson. Alisons middle name was Watson. Family thought she was called Alice That’s my mums name
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Did you actually download the 1931 marriage cert & check parents names? If you did - it’s very strange it’s not her. There is only one Alice Watson Thomson birth on SP - in 1910. None in 1907
It’s also strange that Alice Watson Boyd died 1983 Falkirk - mothers maiden name Watson and you told us her mother was Elizabeth Watson
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Did you actually download the 1931 marriage cert & check parents names? If you did - it’s very strange it’s not her. There is only one Alice Watson Thomson birth on SP - in 1910. None in 1907
It’s also strange that Alice Watson Boyd died 1983 Falkirk - mothers maiden name Watson and you told us her mother was Elizabeth Watson
She was actually Allison on the parish records although family called her Alice and my mum was called after her and she is called Alice
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She was actually Allison on parish records. Family all said she went by Alice and my mum was called after her and she was Alice
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Hi,
I am confused. I have several questions.
:) Are you looking for
Allison or Alison or Alice...
:) Re the lass on the passenger list coming to New South Wales, in 1925 ... from that record ... how do you know that THAT passenger is the daughter of your Elizabeth WATSON?
JM
My great aunt Alison Thomson(18) travelled on the Diogenes from London to Sydney Australia in September 1925. She travelled with a Michael Shannon(58). I can find no trace of her after leaving London. I wonder if anyone has come across her in their family trees
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There is no birth 1900- 1910 for an Allison or Alison Watson Thomson - there is one in Leith in 1914
The passenger list shows her last address as Falkirk. Her mother Elizabeth Sneddon Watson was born 1869 Falkirk and the 1910 birth was Falkirk
My reply on 21st April asked for details of her birthplace but no reply.
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That Alice Thomson’s parents are Thomas Thomson and her mother was Agnes Thomson nee Watson
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Have you found her on the 1911 census with parents Daniel & Elizabeth? Where was she born and how old is she
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That Alice Thomson’s parents are Thomas Thomson and her mother was Agnes Thomson nee Watson
Which Alice THOMSON are you talking about?
JM
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No I haven’t looked for her because she’s not my relations but I’ve got Alice with parents Daniel and Elizabeth age 4 on the 1911 census
Sorry just looked at parish records for my great aunt and it’s Allison Watson Thompson born 3/1 1907 in California
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No I haven’t looked for her because she’s not my relations but I’ve got Alice with parents Daniel and Elizabeth age 4 on the 1911 census
Sorry just looked at parish records for my great aunt and it’s Allison Watson Thompson born 3/1 1907 in California
Would that be California, as in the village in Scotland. Not California as in the state in the USA.
JM edit to sort syntax.
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Yes. My cousin was very disappointed when she discovered you couldn’t get a bus from our wee village (Stenhousemuir) to California in America. She thought it was the American one that her mum went to every week
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Aghhhh .... So you are looking for THOMPSON, not THOMSON ..
Are you sure your great aunt migrated? If so, are you sure she came to Australia?
JM
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Suggest you have a look at the 1983 death in Falkirk for Alice Watson Thomson aged 73 mmn Watson. She may never have married
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Back in the Opening Post, Isabel mentions that her great aunt travelled with Michael SHANNON on the Diogenes.
From the National Archives of Australia's incoming passengers per the Diogenes, Mr M Shannon's proposed address was to be c/o Smith, Brisbane St, Ipswich West, in Queensland. This was the SAME address as for Miss A THOMPSON. They are listed among the passengers travelling third class, ticketed to Sydney New South Wales. There were many passengers who were ticketed to Brisbane, but not these two.
These records were lodged at Albany, Western Australia, the first port of call in Australia for that voyage. Several of the commercial websites have the images of those records.
JM
My great aunt Alison Thomson(18)
She is Alice Thomson on the passenger list and no apparent link between her and Michael Shannon - they have separate passenger numbers
Her last address is shown as Rosscandle Cottage California Falkirk? She is shown as a domestic
Shannons address was Main St Polmant?
JM
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1925 Queensland Electoral Roll, MORETON, polling Ipswich
There are, of course, many with the surname SMITH at that polling place. The following are those which mention both Brisbane St, and West Ipswich. Brisbane Street was a continuation of Brisbane Road.
Ernest Isaiah SMITH, Brisbane St, West Ipswich, blacksmith
John Richard Alan SMITH, Brisbane St, West Ipswich, labourer
Sarah SMITH, Brisbane St, West Ipswich, home duties
Helen SMITH, Brisbane St, West Ipswich, home duties
There is nothing on the roll to give you any indication that any of the above people have any connection with each other. The roll in 1925 does not include the street number in Brisbane Street.
JM
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She is Alice Thomson on the passenger list and no apparent link between her and Michael Shannon - they have separate passenger numbers
Her last address is shown as Rosscandle Cottage California Falkirk? She is shown as a domestic
Shannons address was Main St Polmant?
As an aside, I wonder should that be Mosscandle? Reason being, there is a story in the Falkirk Herald of November 20, 1926 about an omnibus owner not having a proper licence and at one point, it mentions 3 of the passengers:
'Robert Thomson, miner, Mosscandle Cottage, California, his wife, Mrs Elizabeth Sneddon Watson or Thomson, and Elizabeth White or Thomson, California, spoke to having boarded accused's 'bus while it was inside Haston's garage in Cow Wynd.'
I don't understand the reference (to being the wife of Robert), but it might suggest a connection to the Alice Thomson on the passenger list.
Edited to add: I have also just found a death notice and an 'in memoriam' notice for an Elizabeth Watson Thomson who died on 4 June 1941 at Mosscandle Cottage, California, described as the wife of Robert Thomson.
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... I don't understand the reference (to being the wife of Robert), but it might suggest a connection to the Alice Thomson on the passenger list.
I get it now, Daniel Thomson died in 1913 and his widow Elizabeth (daughter of Henry Watson and Elizabeth Sneddon) re-married in 1923... to a Robert Thomson.
So it looks like Alice in that passenger list is the one to chase.
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Great finds gaffy.
JM
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Agree with JM.
Very good gaffy.
Trying to think on the SMITH connection.
Did Alison have sisters? Did anyone marry a SMITH and go to Australia?
Michael SHANNON remains a mystery. Was he the one with a SMITH connection?
When/if Alice returned to UK, would she enter likely through a Scottish port?
Perhaps our OP has further information.
Sue
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This is the problem with old records . The person recording them spelt them how they wanted. My grandmothers maiden name was Fernie. You would not believe the different ways that name is spelt. Also Isabel another family name . I have even seen it spelt Isbl
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Hi Isabel,
Have you looked through all the replies posted on the thread.
Such as the same destination for both Alice and SHANNON being found.
The remarriage of Alice's mother being found
And more.
Your comments would be of assistance if you hope to move forward.
I have asked you about siblings for Alice. Can you respond please.
Yes, we all have hurdles with incorrect spelling of recorded names.
Sue
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Not sure if this is helpful - looking at Michael SHANNON - his address on the passenger list is (I think) Main Bridge, Polmont.
1901 Census for Abercrombie Place, Polmont:
Michael Shannon 36, coke maker, b Ireland
Elizabeth Shannon 36, b Maravainde, Stirlingshire (Possibly poor transcription for Muiravonside)
Susan Shannon 6, b Falkirk
Elizabeth Shannon 2, b Polmont
I don't have access to many Scots records so can't find anything else useful about him.
Perhaps the connection is through his wife who was born close by.
no help in finding what happened to them in Australia though.
Judith