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Rathfriland. Beggs/ Brown. Presbyterian church records?
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Can you give us some dates, please?
KG
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Rathfriland. Beggs/ Brown. Presbyterian church records?
Rathfriland 1st Presbyterian church has baptisms from 1827, marriages from 1782; 2nd has baptism and marriages from 1804 and 3rd has them from 1834. Copies of all 3 sets of records are held in PRONI in Belfast.
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Sorry! I have confused two branches of my Brown ancestors.
Thomas Browne born 1789 to Thomas Browne and Margaret Henning in Rathfriland?
Married Elizabeth Arnold born Rathfriland 1809. I do not know where they married, but think Rathfriland might be a start.
Parents of Jane Browne, who married Samuel Beggs Brown, born Belfast 1840 son of Isabella Beggs and John Brown, who married in 1839, but I do not know where.
I don't have much information about Beggs or Brown, except that The parents of Isabella Beggs were Samuel Beggs and Sarah Mitchell and the parents of John Brown were John Brown (Killyleagh) and ? Wilson
Thank you for pointing me towards the Presbyterian church records at PRONI.
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........Jane Browne, who married Samuel Beggs Brown........
For information, marriage on 5th August 1872 in Belfast.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1872/11312/8151067.pdf
KG
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Thank you very much! I could not read the place / church name, but that is probably my eyesight more than anything. Were both fathers, as well as Samuel, clerks?
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Were both fathers, as well as Samuel, clerks?
Yep, all three were clerks.
Can't make out the name of the presbyterian church. Can anyone make it out?
Marriage solemnized at ............ in the parish of Belfast in the Co Antrim.
KG
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Thank you! I now have much more information about them already!
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Townsend St. Presbyterian Church- minister William Johnston 1847-1892
http://historyhubulster.co.uk/tag/townsend-street-presbyterian/
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Belfast Weekly News, 10 Aug.1872: BROWN-BROWN—Aug. 5, at Townsend Street Presbyterian Church, Belfast, the Rev. William Johnston, Moderator of the General Assembly, Samuel Brown, to Jane, youngest daughter of the late Mr. Thomas Brown, both of Belfast.
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Thank you very much for the church name and the marriage announcement. It is interesting that both of them already lived in Belfast before the marriage.
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Do you have this ?
Record details
Name of deceased Mr Samuel Beggs Brown
Last place of residence Hillcrest Whiteabbey
Age 71 Years
Sex
Date of death 13 December 1911
Date of burial 15 December 1911
Cemetery City Cemetery
Grave section and number B 455
Burial Type Earth Burial
Others in the grave:
Occupants of grave B 455, City Cemetery
Forename Surname Age Date of death Date of burial Cemetery Details
Jane Brown 66 Years 12 January 1914 14 January 1914 City Cemetery
Samuel Beggs Brown 71 Years 13 December 1911 15 December 1911 City Cemetery
Marjorie Frances Brown 42 Years 6 June 1936 8 June 1936 City Cemetery
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Thank you for that information. I found the deaths in Irish Genealogy and I have the grave certificate for the plot in the City Cemetery. As well as Marjorie Brown, their daughter-in-law, their unmarried daughter Isabel Brown was later buried in the plot.
Could you tell me where I would find the City Cemetery, were I to visit Belfast again? I wonder if it is still open or if it was closed.
I am very grateful for all the information you kindly sent me.
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You'll find all the relevant information here:
www.belfastcity.gov.uk/community/cemeteries/belfastcitycemetery.aspx
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Thank you! I now know how to get there and that it is still open and sounds quite interesting.
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It will be open again when the COVID-19 lockdown has finished.
In line with emergency legislation, our cemeteries are closed to the public, sculptors and contractors. Access is only allowed for funeral corteges.
We recognise this is a distressing time for anyone who has lost a loved one. These measures are being put in place to protect staff and also to protect members of the public.
KG
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Thank you! I now know how to get there and that it is still open and sounds quite interesting.
The staff in the gate lodge at the entrance are very helpful. They have graveyard maps to show where each plot is. And if you are having difficulty locating one, they will sometimes get one of the maintenance team to go with you to locate it.
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Thank you for all the information! I certainly won't be able to get to Belfast until the lockdown ends, but I am pleased to hear that the staff are helpful and informative at the cemetery.