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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: aggiebagwash on Thursday 09 April 20 13:45 BST (UK)
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I'm looking for help finding the true birth of John Boyd. On the 1939 Register he gives his date of birth as the 22nd May 1891 however there are no records for a John Boyd born 2nd or 3rd quarter of 1891 in Manchester only one in the 4th quarter. I then found one page of a record on the Seaman's Register dated 1910 with the same birth date and place of birth and he's a fruit hawker.
Following the record for the one born in the 4th quarter 1891 I found a baptismal record at St Oswald's Church, Collyhurst on the 8th November 1891 to a John and Sarah Elizabeth Boyd. In 1911 the family are living in Bolton and give his age as 19 which would fit with a birthday after the census.
Is it possible that his parents forgot to register his birth and did so later in the year but told him his true birthday?
Thanks
Margaret
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What's his mother's maiden name?
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Is it possible that his parents forgot to register his birth and did so later in the year but told him his true birthday?
Thanks
Margaret
His true birthday will be noted on his birth certificate irrespective of when it was registered.
Stan
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The mother's maiden name of the John Boyd registered in the 4th Quarter is Booth.
The marriage of John Boyd and Sarah Elizabeth Booth was registered in Manchester 4th quartr 1890
Stan
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Is this the birth entry you are referring too?
BOYD, JOHN mmn BOOTH
1891 Dec Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 267
And possible parents marriage entry
1890 Dec Manchester
John BOYD
Female name on same page
Sarah Elizabeth BOOTH
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What was John 's occupation in 1911?
Did John marry?
Edited - to remove question as you already posted dob from 1939 register ::)
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Yes it was the same couple.
The reason I think they forgot to register it was that the same thing happened to my grandmother, her father forgot to register her birth and when he remembered he gave November 2nd as the day she was born so it fit in with the 42 day requirement. She actually never knew what date she was born as she was one of 14.
I somehow don't think that buying the birth certificate will give his true birth date as it would have to fit in with the required registration date in the 4th quarter and not the 2nd or 3rd.
Margaret
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His death gives same dob
John BOYD
Born 22 5 1891
Jun 1970 Manchester Volume 10E Page 950
Could there have been a mistake with his place of birth?
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So we know that's the same person. Three official records with his date of birth and the Seaman's Register says Manchester.
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There's a John Hall Boyd born in the 2nd quarter 1891 in Newcastle upon Tyne but he's still there in 1939 so I eliminated him.
I looked at all birth's for John Boyd between 1888 and 1894 and eliminated them one by one and still ended up with the one in Manchester with parents John and Sarah Elizabeth.
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Unfortunately No date of birth given on his burial or Ellen's
John Boyd death 30 Jun 1970
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/156003672/john-boyd
Ellen Winifred Boyd death 30 Oct 1979
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/149772251
Ellen Winifred BOYD Born 19 4 1897
Dec 1979 Manchester 38 1032
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The Seaman's Register states that he signed on for 12 years in March 1910 but the right column says he had told a false statement on entry. Wonder if they kicked him out and what for?
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Looking at the National Archives seaman's records throws up 2 records for John Boyd in Manchester one born 23rd September 1891 and the other also on Ancestry for 22nd May 1891 so the plot thickens. Someone was lying but who? Or is that the reason the record states he made a false statement. Did he give the wrong date of birth, first his correct one and then the made up one.
It's so frustrating that there are pages missing from his records.
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What did he give as his his father's name and occupation when he married? Witnesses?
Debra :)
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I'm still waiting for the certificate to arrive.
Margaret
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Looking at the National Archives seaman's records throws up 2 records for
John Boyd in Manchester one
born 23rd September 1891 and the other also on Ancestry for
22nd May 1891 so the plot thickens.
Have you checked 1939 Register for John born dob 23 9 1891 he has a wife.
On his seaman’s record his occupation fitter & turner
Found this record no date of birth given
John Boyd 20 prisoner admitted 27 Nov 1911 in Cork Ireland for stealing goods
Ht 5 6, brown hair & Eyes , complexion fresh occ soldier
Tattoo heart & flower ? Left forearm pierced heart . Death before dishonour back left wrist
Mother named as Mary , address Hamilton Street Manchester
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Wow thank you so much. I'll see what I can find from that record.
Margaret
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I found him in Fermoy Barracks hospital, Cork on the 1911 Irish Census. The record states he's 19 and born in England and he's RC.
I spent hours yesterday looking for Mary in 1911 and couldn't find her in Manchester or surrounding areas. I then searched the 1901 census for both of them and found nothing after searching all over the country.
John is so specific on the prison record giving his mother's name and address so where the heck is she in 1911 and 1901 ??? The mystery deepens.