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Hello!
I wondered if I could call upon your powers of deduction to help me find out more about my great-great uncle, Frank Smith.
I can find him on censuses when he’s a kid, and I know some bits and pieces about him in later life, but nothing in-between.
This is what I know for sure:
Born: 4 December 1866, Walls Quarry, Brimscombe, Gloucestershire (from his birth certificate - can I post a scan of it?)
1871 census: Avening, Gloucestershire, 4yo - Scholar
RG10/2641/16/7
1881 census: Avening, Gloucestershire, 14yo - Farm labourer
RG11/2550/110/10
April 1940: his older sister Elizabeth Mary Smith leaves him some money in her will, and the probate calendar entry describes him as “Frank Smith, retired chief steward”.
Between 1881 and 1940, and thereafter, I’m stumped!
This is *potentially* him on the 1939 Register in Lambeth, given that the birthday matches the birth certificate:
RG101/0347F/004/41
It would also make sense in the wider context of most of his siblings having moved to London. Within the household is a lady called Blanche, but I’m finding it hard to find a marriage entry which makes sense.
More broadly, several of his siblings are just [first name] Smith with no middle names to distinguish them when searching - I’d be interested to hear how you tend to approach this, and verify that you’ve found the right one!
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What are his parents names?
Could this be Frank?
London Electoral Register Years 1947/48
13 Frederick Street Lambeth
Frank Smith
Blanche Smith
Winifred B Smith
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Hello!
These are his parents names:
Thomas Smith, 1798-1880 - born in Abergwili, Carmarthenshire (yep, he was really in his sixties when he had Frank!)
Mary Jones, b 1831- originally from Thornbury, Bristol
Other census references for the family:
1861 - RG09/1777/94/22 (In Brimscombe, Gloucestershire)
1891 - RG12/465/39/7 (His mother and some of his siblings move to Camberwell, in South London)
1901 - RG13/533/52/10 (His sisters, Elizabeth Mary Smith, Louisa and Emily, and his mother in Lewisham, South London)
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To help others looking here’s 1871c detail
Thomas Smith 72 Superannuated revenue officer
Mary Smith 41
Elizabeth M Smith 12
Thomas Smith 10
George Smith 8
Frank Smith 5 Minchinhampton
Louisa Smith 2
Emily Smith 7/12
and 1881c
Piece: 2550
Folio: 110
Page Number: 10
Mary Smith Wid. 40
George Smith 18 Wallsquarry, Gloucestershire
Frank Smith 14. Ditto farm labourer
Emily Smith 10
Herbert Smith 6
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You can find Winifred with mother Blanche on the 1911 census
retired chief steward
Away at sea could account for being unable to find him on censuses
EDIT
From Family Search
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X71G-1FY
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What are his parents names?
Could this be Frank?
London Electoral Register Years 1947/48
13 Frederick Street Lambeth
Frank Smith
Blanche Smith
Winifred B Smith
Think Blanche & Winifred B are in Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire, along with an Ernest F B Smith b c 1905 in 1911?
Keyboard86
Just spotted your post Carole!
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Frank Smith
Baptism 13 Jan 1867 Brimscombe, Gloucestershire
Father: Thomas Smith Retired revenue officer Mother: Mary
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SMITH, ERNEST FRANK MALVERN mmn MALVERN
GRO Reference: 1904 J Quarter in BLEAN Volume 02A Page 959
SMITH, WINEFRED BLANCHE mmn MALVERN
GRO Reference: 1907 S Quarter in CHIPPING SODBURY Volume 06A Page 246
EDIT
MALVERN, LIZZIE BLANCHE PARKER
GRO Reference: 1873 S Quarter in CHELTENHAM Volume 06A Page 419
See Edit to reply 4 - 1911 details from FS posted
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Marriages June qtr 1903
Malvern Lizzie Blanch/Blanche Steyning 2b 603
Smith Frank
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Marriages June qtr 1903
Malvern Lizzie Blanch/Blanche Steyning 2b 603
Smith Frank
Carole great find - I had found Lizzie B, Frank & Winifred B Smith still living at
13 Frederick Crescent Lambeth in 1961 and wondered if he had remarried I had
not been able to find his marriage
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Cheers - just added her birth details to the childrens
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1881c
Piece: 2977
Folio: 56
Page Number: 38
Florence St Cygnet Place No 5 Warwickshire
Charles Malvern 56 Grocer (Temp Out Of Business)
Elizabeth Malvern 45
Harry P. Malvern 14
Edith S. Malvern 12
Gertrude A. Malvern 11
Arthur G. Malvern 9
Lizzie B. Malvern 7 Cheltenham
Hubert E. Malvern 4
Ernest J. Malvern 3
Edit to add
Blanche Malvern age 17 Cheltenham with her widowed Mother Elizabeth and two siblings 1891 Gloucester
RG12; Piece: 2042; Folio: 36; Page: 27
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Possible death of Frank’s wife
SMITH Lizzie B Age 89 Sep 1962 Camberwell 5c 216
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Death of son
Ernest Frank M Smith aged 84 born 6 May 1904
Registration Date: Aug 1988
Registration district: Aylesbury Vale
Inferred County: Buckinghamshire
Volume: 19
Page: 872
He died 29.8.1988 and left a will but the will appears in 1989. He left nearly £133,000
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills
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Daughter never married
Blanche Winifred Smith aged 81 born 25 Jul 1907
Death registered May 1989 Lambeth RD
Volume: 14 p 179
Died 28.4.1989 and left a will - estate just under £23,000
Will is under Winifred Blanche although death reg has names reversed
Wills can be downloaded for £1.50
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Did Frank die between 1961 - 1964?
London Electoral Register
year 1964 only Winifred B Smith living at 13 Frederick Crescent Lambeth
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Might this be his death entry
Mar 1964
SMITH FRANK Age 97 LAMBETH 5C 1356
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Winifred Blanche Smith
Baptism 13 Oct 1907 Hillesley, Gloucestershire
Father: Frank Smith occ labourer Mother: Lizzie Blanche abode Hillesley