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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: PippaR on Monday 06 April 20 05:54 BST (UK)
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Can I please have some lookup help trying to find what became of one or both of these ancestors -
Thomas Symcock and Lucy Garnett, both born c1791-3. They married in 1815.
Their first 2 children died as infants - Lucy b&d 1816, William b&d 1817. To my knowledge the only other child born and lived, was William 1818-1874 (my ancestor).
Thomas was a rope maker in Nantwich (as was his father William).
I've exhausted my expertise searching for deaths pre 1838 as well as new marriages for either. Even post 1838 I've had no joy.
Any thoughts please would be appreciated.
PippaR
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Just mentioning that your William bapt 1818 was lodging in Beam Street, Nantwich in 1841
HO107/117 bk4 f13 p20
In 1851 he is still in Beam Street, Nantwich and married to Ann (nee Moulton) with children Thomas 4 & Elizabeth 2 -all born Nantwich
HO107/2169 f660 p28
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What information did Williams marriage certificate give about his father and who were the witnesses
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Wm and Ann Moulton married in 1846. Witnesses: James Pick and Clare Lockitt.
There was no mention that his father Thomas was deceased.
Ann Moulton died in 1856 and Wm remarried Ann Tomlinson, widow, in 1858.
Wm died in 1874 in Stockport.
I don't have his marriage cert to his second wife.
(Some birth certs I have purchased from Wm's daughter, have recorded the spelling as Simcox).
PippaR
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There is this death. Bit old, but I could imagine an x looking like an e
SIMCOE, THOMAS 83
GRO Reference: 1859 S Quarter in NANTWICH Volume 08A Page 168
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I'm comfortable with surname variations and 5 years either side of believed age but I don't think the age is close enough to feel it a match.
I feel Thomas and Jane probably remained in the area, or at least Cheshire, but I can't find a suitable match in England!!
I appreciate you all giving a hand with this. It's tough to let it drop after spending a lot of time on a brick wall!!
PippaR
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Thomas Simcoe was buried in Wybunbury 18th August 1859. The burial entry (image on FindMyPast) states he was from Stapeley. Both places are only a few miles from Nantwich.
Emeltom
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Thanks for taking a look at this.
cheers, PippaR
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you say Thomas aged 4 in 1851 census
this record says aged 11 ?? and William was born 1821 ????
Beam Street
Nantwich, Cheshire
Household Members:
William Symcock (30, Male)
Ann Symcock (27, Female)
Thomas Symcock (11, Male)
Elizabeth Symcock (2, Female)
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http://www.rootspoint.com/record/1851-UK-Census/William-Symcock-1821-Nantwich-Cheshire-Nantwich/c93e1033-810d-4911-ab7c-d84948fb96a3/
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FindMyPast have the image of William's second marriage:
28 June 1858 - Wybunbury
William Syncock (x), full age, widower, Cordwainer. Father: Thomas, Rope Maker
Ann Tomlinson (x), full age, widow. Father: James Shaw, Silk Weaver
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you say Thomas aged 4 in 1851 census
this record says aged 11 ?? and William was born 1821 ????
I looked at the image before posting the earlier 1851 information. I think the image looks more like the 4 which appears further down the page with ages 46 & 48. The enumerator generally has the base of the 4 on the line and the downward cross stroke passing to the row below. Their 1's generally sit on the line
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I have a 20 Dec 1818 parish record of Wm's baptism to parents Thos and Lucy but unable to find a death prior 1821. Ann Moulton was baptised in 1824 and given their stated ages on census records, it accords with an 1821 birth. Regardless, I still think it's the same Wm.
After I began the post, I sent off for the marriage cert to Wm's second wife just to see if Thomas senior is recorded as deceased in 1858 to hopefully narrow down the search process. Unfortunately, I usually have to wait 4 weeks to receive these certificates.
Although not unusual, William is recorded on the 1841 census as a lodger and his parents not mentioned. This is what makes me believe they were deceased. Thinking in today's terms I know, but if Wm was the only surviving child, I would assume they'd be somewhere nearby.
I'm certain by now that you've concluded that it's driving me to distraction!! But, it's been great to get your input so thanks again.
PippaR