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Hi everyone I hope someone can help me move on?
I am the great great granddaughter of Henry Albert Holland Hitchens. every hing on this gentleman in England is just Henry Hitchens but we he gets to New Zealand he becomes Henry Albert Holland Hitchens. I got his birth cert from England and am having troubles with his dad who is Henry Hitchens, I have him in the 1851 census with his wife and children but can not find a birth for him to find his parents, all the sites have different dates I have tried each one to no avail.What am I doing wrong?
Henry Hitchens born 1780 to 1796 Northwich Leftwich England,married Eliza Moore in Davenham
Cheshire 10 Apr 1825 have 7 children between 1825 and 1847 mixed places but all Cheshire. have then in 1851 census her and kids only in 1841 census all in Northwich . If someone can help either point me in the right direction or is on the same tree would love to here from you. thanks shona ford nee Hitchens
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You need to amend your post - you have twice used the place 'Norwich' which is incorrect. Norwich is in Norfolk - the place you want is Northwich, Cheshire.
Annette
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There is only one census where Henry has given the information himself i.e. 1851 when he states he is 62 (bc.1789) and born in Knowsley, Lancashire. When he died 14/4/1861 his age given by informant was 68 i.e. bc.1793.
There are 2 problems here - one is that Knowsley didn't have it's own church until 1844 so would have been baptised elsewhere. The other problem is from baptisms of children the family were non-conformist and his baptism may well have been in a non-conformist church whose records are not available online.
Annette
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I agree with Annette
I can only find this baptism in Lancashire - but possibly not the correct man.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5L6-DX6
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Henry Albert Holland Hitchens born Northwich 1840, died Aukland 1906
Married Margaret Ellensworth in Drury in 1865, they had 9 children.
Henry’s parents were Henry born 1789 in Knowsley and died 1861 in Northwich, and Elizabeth Moore 1810 Dublin to 1856 Northwich.
Henry snr’s parents were possibly George born c1785 in Ireland, and Anne McClonky c1780 in Ireland whilst the dates are odd this is from an existing Ancestry Tree.
There is a Henry aged 15 going to New Yealand in 1856 aboard the vessel Cambodia, he is a labourer, unfortunately I cannot read his place of origin.
I have long lines of ancestors from Cheshire and over the years the online records have improved but that lag a long way behind other Counties. Lan OPC is a good free search site but again there are still a lot of records that have not yet been digitised or transcribed.
Hope this helps
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Henry’s parents were Henry born 1789 in Knowsley and died 1861 in Northwich, and Elizabeth Moore 1810 Dublin to 1856 Northwich.
Henry snr’s parents were possibly George born c1785 in Ireland, and Anne McClonky c1780 in Ireland
So, George was 4 years old when he fathered Henry??!
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Henry’s parents were Henry born 1789 in Knowsley and died 1861 in Northwich, and Elizabeth Moore 1810 Dublin to 1856 Northwich.
Henry snr’s parents were possibly George born c1785 in Ireland, and Anne McClonky c1780 in Ireland
So, George was 4 years old when he fathered Henry??!
There is a “c” to indicate circa ie approx or did you choose to ignore them?
The dates could be just a guess that the person whose tree I used as a source had inserted as dates & not changed them, they are of course hints only.
Most Ancestry trees do not have parents for Henry
There are also quite a few Henry Hitchens/Hutchen and permutations returned n Ancestry.
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I would advise against copying from someone's tree, especially where there are obvious basic mistakes.
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http://www.rootspoint.com/record/1851-UK-Census/Henry-Hitchens-1789-Knowsley-Lancashire-Leftwich/25d210db-adff-4e47-9a87-0a3b517e1b24
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There’s a Henry Hitchins born 1840 in Northwich in the Barracks in Walmer Kent. He’s a corporal.
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Knowsley is still a village today, all who lived there would have worked on the Earl of Derby's estate http://archives.knowsley.gov.uk/knowsley-village/history-of-the-knowsley-estate/ The church mainly used by the people of Knowsley would have been at the ancient parish church of St Michael's in Huyton https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Huyton/StMichael or possibly St Mary's Parish Church in Prescot https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Prescot/StMary.
There are numerous Hitcheons/Hutchen in Huyton parish records in the C17.
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".. I got his birth cert from England"
Can you please identify the birth you have found.
"..(his father) Henry Hitchens, I have him in the 1851 census with his wife and children.."
Can you please identify the 1851 Census entry so that people on the forum can see it too.
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The certificate I have is number cm 583122 year is 1839 any questions let me know.
Reg District:NORTHWICH birth in the sub district of Northwich in the county of Chester
ther are 10 rows No:192 where and when:25 June 1839 in Leftwich Name:Henry Sex: Boy
Name and surname father: Henry Hitchen Mother and maiden name: Eliza Hitchen Formerly Moores
Occupation of father Labourer row 7 title of blurredbut the wrighting says the mark of Eliza Hitchen mother Leftwich when registered 22 of july 1839 sign if reg John dale witness has an /
The Henry for the birth in 1829 is the older brother whom sadly died in 1831 burred at Witton-cum, Twambrook , I have found a marriage for Henry Sen and Eliza in Davenham Cheshire 1825 waiting to order.
I refer to Henry and Eliza as Henry senior, Henry 1829 as Henry1 and Henry born 1839 as Henry2 been AKA Henry Albert Holland Hitchens.
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sorry the census citation source is class HO170 piece 2165 folio562page 30
1851 England Cenus :)
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The registration referred to:
HITCHEN, HENRY mmn MOORES
GRO Reference: 1839 S Quarter in NORTHWICH Volume 19 Page 165
HITCHEN, ANN mmn MOORE
GRO Reference: 1841 D Quarter in NORTHWICH Volume 19 Page 164
Jamjar
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I have found a marriage for Henry Sen and Eliza in Davenham Cheshire 1825 waiting to order.
Hi
Welcome to Rootschat!
There is no certificate to order for a marriage in 1825.
Henry Hitchen married Eliza Moor (signed Moore?), 7 April 1825, Davenham
Parish register is on FamilySearch (free, but need to be logged in)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DRB2-5H?i=131&cc=1614792&cat=819791
Bishop'sTranscript
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DZC9-2X6
Marriage was by banns
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-69RQ-KS6?i=33
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Burial of Henry A H Hitchens, 12 Nov 1906, Waikumete Cemetery, Wesleyan Division
Died 9 Nov 1906, age 67.
Occupation Compounder of Medicine.
Residence Symonds St.
Native of England, years in province 39
Image here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9P1-YYDH?i=39&cc=2365063
See also
https://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/cemeteries/Pages/RecordDetails.aspx?recordId=910808A6994911B844FB62F5B98D4BF0
Newspapers
Death announcement in the Northern Advocate, 12 Nov 1906
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NA19061112.2.8
and the Colonist, 16 Nov 1906
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TC19061116.2.7
Observer, 17 Nov 1906
He manufactured Hitchen's blood restorer!
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TO19061117.2.12
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Do you have a printout of this record -
NZ BDM marriage
1865/5522 Margaret ELLENSWORTH marr. Henry Albert Holland HITCHENS
Among names for their children there is QUINTON used as given name, so likely this appears as an earlier family name, and, hopefully, from the HITCHENS side of the family.
The marriage certificate will not ask for parents' names but will name witnesses....grooms occupation.....church where they are married. Witnesses might be relatives.
Using BDM NZ Index I see QUINTONs in New Zealand.
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I only have the copy I ordered from the registrar general, is Folio no:463/1865 reg at dury ref no 14/18 no4548 I am unsure about Henry A.H Hitchens been his real name as its nowhere else except New Zealand.
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Can you please list all the information on the marriage certificate that you have.
Henry's full name is rather long, which might not suit the format of earlier records, ie census, that you have accessed.
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1865 marriages in the district of Dury
no:38 when and where 18th January 1865 in the dwelling of Rev Thomas Norrie Papakura
Names and Surnames: Henry Albert Holland Hitchens And Margaret Ellensworth
Age: his full hers minor
Rank or profession:Private of Army Hos Corps her house maid
condition: bach and spinster
Name of official Rev Thomas Norrie
When reg: 18th jan 1865
the 2 witness are a butch and laundry lady both surname Ash of Papakura
thats all it has
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are these your family ??
https://en.geneanet.org/fonds/individus/?go=1&nom=hitchens&prenom=holland&prenom_operateur=or&with_variantes_nom=&with_variantes_nom_conjoint=&with_variantes_prenom=&with_variantes_prenom_conjoint=&size=10
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yes those are some of his children there are 11 the last one been Lawrence is my great grand father
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About the marriage certificate -
Are you looking at an image of a handwritten document....or...a typed transcription?
What names do you see for the witnesses....each one.......what does "butch"....mean.
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the one I have is hand written and butch is butcher sorry
the witness are John Ash and Jane Ash of Papakura
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Just to add to confusion there was another Henry born earlier
Name
Henry Hitchens
GenderMale
Baptism Date20 Jan 1830
Baptism PlacePrimitive Methodist Connexion,Preston Brook Circuit,Cheshire,England
FatherHenry Hitchens
MotherEliza Moore
copyright images removed
FHL Film Number0020049 (RG4 543)
Household Members
Name
Henry Hitchens
Age
Eliza Moore
Age
Henry Hitchens
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Thats part of my issue when I look for him as Henry Albert Holland Hitchens ,I can only find the hole name in New Zealand nothing in England and nothing I have tells me that Eliza and Henry are his parents its only from word of mouth or because other have used it. I wont to be able to document what I state so I know I have the right person.
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Name
Henry Hitchens
GenderMale
Baptism Date20 Jan 1830
Baptism PlacePrimitive Methodist Connexion,Preston Brook Circuit,Cheshire,England
FatherHenry Hitchens
MotherEliza Moore
FHL Film Number0020049 (RG4 543)
Household Members
Name
Henry Hitchens
Age
Eliza Moore
Age
Henry Hitchens
very interesting - Barnton is 5 miles from Preston Brook by road - probably less along the Canal - so was Henry Hitchens a Boatman ?? do you know ?
Barges were moored at Preston Brook - it only closed march 2019 - and the only occupation in Preston Brook was boatmen - The Wharf - I suppose he could have been an Ag Lab but along that stretch of water it was Barnton and then Northwich - SALT trade and very busy
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Just to add to confusion there was another Henry born earlier
He died in 1831.
The Henry for the birth in 1829 is the older brother whom sadly died in 1831 burred at Witton-cum, Twambrook
..... was Henry Hitchens a Boatman ?? do you know ?
In 1851 he was a labourer. He wasn't at home with Eliza and the children in 1841.
Burial of Henry A H Hitchens, 12 Nov 1906, Waikumete Cemetery, Wesleyan Division
Died 9 Nov 1906, age 67.
Occupation Compounder of Medicine.
Residence Symonds St.
Native of England, years in province 39
He manufactured Hitchen's blood restorer!
1865 marriages in the district of Dury
Rank or profession: Private of Army Hos Corps
He was also 'formerly of the Royal Victoria Hospital, Netley, England'. Netley didn't open until 1863 so it is possible that he came to NZ with his regiment.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19060919.2.104.1
Debra :)
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The New Zealand Gazette of 1886 has a brief note that Lieutenant Henry Albert Holland Hitchens resignation of commission was accepted by the Governor.
Is there more than one H A H Hitchens in NZ at this time?
The documents about his life that was published on his death to me do not show the life of the Son of a labourer.
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The Henry Hitchens born c.1840 in Northwich who was listed as a Corporal at Walmer Barracks in the 1861 census was actually in the 2nd Btn 2nd Foot ( Queen’s Royal ) Depot
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Colin Lamb
I am glad someone else has picked up on the high living of a laborers son, if Henry and Eliza are his parents I have the rest of his family in the union poor houses so how dose one go from the poor house to a social light in New Zealand it does not make sense to me.
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Using Familysearch....New Zealand Archives.....Probate
Finds a Probate file for Henry Albert Holland HITCHENS. Image 211 of 449 has an image of the death certificate -
Died: 9 November 1906, Symonds Street Auckland
Name and Occupation: Henry Albert Holland HITCHENS compounder of Medecine
Age: 67 years
Cause of Death: Cerebral haemorrhage 12 Hours
Father name and occupation:
Mothers name:
Buried: 11 November Waikumete
Minister: Rev W H WILSON, Anglican
When born, how long in New Zealand: Cheshire about 39 years
Where married, age, to whom: Papakure, , Margaret Hillingsworth
Issue living, number, age, sex: 4 males 34, 30, 18, 13.........6 females 38, 36, 28, 26, 22, 20.
Informant, description, residence: F Little, undertaker, Auckland
Registered: 13 November 1906
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Yes :-[ sadly he has left no information about his parents. I find it interesting that he seems so educated and has fine writing skills for a laborers son, as I stated If? Henry and Eliza are his parents and they are in the union poor houses how has he got out of the poor house and got medical training to take himself to New Zealand and be come a Mason and other social standings is troubling me no end. ??? I do Thank all of you for your help and tips I will have to keep digging along. :)
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A birth certificate for Thomas Henry HITCHENS, and later children, will include age and birthplace for parents.
The Cheshire birthplace is recorded after the death of Henry HITCHENS.
It would be useful to see how his age and birthplace is recorded during his lifetime, and, hopefully with himself as the informant.
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so I have Lawrence Roy Hitchens birth registration, it has Henry A.H Hitchens at 55 years in 1895 and place as Cheshire so im still looking at 1840, his death registration has him at 67 in 1906 still has me in 1839 and the marriage in 1865 says 22 which makes 1843 and if the 1851 census with Eliza and Henry is right was 11 years old makes 1840. I am still looking around the 1839 to possibly 1840 ish
;) i still am unsure of whom his parents are? ???
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Colin Lamb
I am glad someone else has picked up on the high living of a laborers son, if Henry and Eliza are his parents I have the rest of his family in the union poor houses so how dose one go from the poor house to a social light in New Zealand it does not make sense to me.
Yes, it is difficult to comprehend.
But it is of course possible.
One of my Wife’s GGrandparents was an unqualified Chemist and exPub Landlord who had a factory making a cure all tonic like the one your HAH Hitchens produced, look up Jackson’s Febrifuge for more info on these tonics which were widely available at that time.
Do note my other post about an HAH Hitchens resigning his army commission, if this person is your relative then there is no way the Son of a Labourer could have gone on to get a Commission in the British Army, that just did not happen and it is only in the last 40 years that this has changed prior a private education was one of the only routes to a Commission in the Armed Forces.
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This all happened in NZ - Auckland City Guards, Veteran Rifles, Veteran Volunteers etc. Plenty of references in the NZ archives. There wasn't exactly an oversupply of upper classes in NZ at that time and he had experience.
https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/
Debra :)