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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Canada Lookup Request => Topic started by: Darryl Nugent on Monday 30 March 20 20:30 BST (UK)
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Looking for any information on Herbert Lewis Bibby (b.1884). Migrated to Canada in 1907 from Leeds UK. He died in 1913 and was buried in Montreal. I believe he married Mary Ann XXX. I would like to find the name of his wife and what happened to her after Herbert's premature death. Also did he have any children and what caused his death so young.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
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If you can read it, here is Mary Anne's maiden name. My guess is Covell.
from the Quebec Church Records (Drouin Collection)
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a transcription of the record
1913 Register
Births, Marriages, Deaths
Verdun Presbyterian Church
[assumed in Verdun, Quebec]
Herbert Lewis Bibby aged twenty seven years husband of Mary Ann Covell died on the twelfth day of February nineteen hundred and thirteen and was buried at Hawthorne Dale Cemetery on the fifteen day of February of the same year.
signed by a few people including Mary Ann Bibby
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So others know where to look for the marriage:
He was single when he arrived at New York, 19 April 1907, a glazer, headed for Toronto.
travelling with William Hodges, 30, a glazer, and William's wife Selina, 28. All headed to their friend, Mr C Smith, 261 Green St, Toronto
I kind of assumed the marriage was in Canada or you would have had the information, but anyway, :)
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Here is another view of Mary Ann's maiden name.
She and R Coull [?] signed the burial record I transcribed above
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Mary Ann remarried in Vancouver, British Columbia, 20 Dec 1915
Name: Mary Ann Coull
Gender: Female
Spouse Name: Alfred John Read
Spouse Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 20 Dec 1915
Marriage Location: Vancouver
Registration Number: 1915-09-080956
BCA Number: B11379
GSU Number: 1983707
exact same registration number, etc:
Name: Mary Ann Bibby
Gender: Female
Spouse Name: Alfred John Read
Spouse Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 20 Dec 1915
Marriage Location: Vancouver
Registration Number: 1915-09-080956
BCA Number: B11379
GSU Number: 1983707
ancestry hints link her to a Mary Ann Read, age 71, died Vancouver 1 June 1956, obituary 5 June 1956. Perhaps someone with access to newspapers.com can see if this is really her and if it mentions children named Bibby.
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Mary Ann died 1 June 1956, Vancouver, BC, father's name transcribed as "Robert Coula"
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FLRJ-9SH
Which means she is probably this person:
In 1911, there is a Mary Ann Coull, 26, born June 1884 in Scotland, arrived 1910, working as a maid for a Paterson/Peterson family in St Antoine, Montreal. Also in the household is a Joan Coull [indexed as John at ancestry], age 24, born June 1886, Scotland, arrived 1911.
If so, she is the daughter of Robert and Agnes Coull, living in Throston, Durham, England, in 1901. Age 15, sister Joan, age 13, in the same household. Also a Robert Coull, age 9
Robert might be the R Coull on the burial register.
and if so, Robert, when entering the US
said his father Robert was at 82 Bennett Avenue, Maisonneuve, PQ.
Robert, 28 and wife Betsey, 20, were headed to Fall River, Massachusetts. Lots on Robert in the US.
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Herbert Louis Bibby and Mary Ann Coull were married in Montreal 14 Sep 1912. Both were residents of Montreal. Calvin Presbyterian Church Parish Record, Montreal.
Civil Registration in Quebec only began in 1994 so I believe there will only be a burial record for Herbert. If an obit can be found, it might have info about a cause of death.
PB
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Could this be Alfred Reid, working away from home?
1921 Mill Bay, Naas River, BC
Alfred John Reid, single, 36, roomer born in England, engineer, cannery, arrived Canada 1908, Church of England
http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1921&op=img&id=e002874476
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There isn't anyone named Bibby, exact spelling, in British Columbia, that is the right age to be Mary Ann's child. But if there was a child, he/she could be listed as Reid. I'm having trouble finding Mary Ann on the 1921 census.
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Could this be Alfred Reid, working away from home?
1921 Mill Bay, Naas River, BC
Alfred John Reid, single, 36, roomer born in England, engineer, cannery, arrived Canada 1908, Church of England
http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1921&op=img&id=e002874476
That might not be him. There are a few hits for an Alfred John Read/Reed on passenger manifests
arriving Montreal 23 August 1907, a baker
arriving Vancouver from Sydney, Australia 7 April 1916 occupation: cook
and there is this later:
Canada Voter Lists
Mrs Mary Ann Read, at 5701 Carleton Street, Vancouver in 1949, with Alfred, a baker
So he might not have been the engineer at the cannery.
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Hi,
Vancouver Sun Newspaper June 5, page 26
Mary Ann Read, age 71, widow of the late Alfred John Read, survived by one son Alfred John Read,
one sister Mrs. Joanne Gordon, Lachute, Quebec, 3 brothers Jack, Boston Mass., Charles, Montreal
and Robert, 2 grandchildren......
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=ifIdVpG6JtcC&dat=19560605&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
Death of her husband Alfred John Read, b. Jan. 3, 1883, England, d. Feb. 9, 1955 Vancouver, wife Mary Ann Coult, father John Read, mother Sara (unknown), informant was son A.J. Read.
http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/16637f9f-16ba-4133-b32c-0d499b2eaf15
DB
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Image for Mary Ann's second marriage....Alfred was a Cook
http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/e64e370e-8b13-4ff1-a4d7-51813821f882
And her death....
http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/818c107e-4a83-46e5-a2b0-8f8f9ad66c47
PB
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Courtesy of Library and Archives Canada...
The writing is terrible and the name is transcribed Ness but I think this is the family in the 1921 census living in Vancouver. One can just about make out a possible Read as the surname. Lines 5, 6, 7.
http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1921&op=img&id=e002877422
PB
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Good find PB. :)
Marriage 25 Sept. 1937 of son Alfred, age 21, baker, born Vancouver B.C,, parents Alfred John Read and Mary Coull to Audrey Marsh, age 22, laundress, born Natal, B.C., parents John Marsh and Margaret Alice Bloomfield.
http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/c5c14427-999a-4027-9d03-167cb38236d0
DB
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Hi,
Death of Audrey Read, b. July 28, 1915 Natal, B.C., d. May 19,1974, Surrey, B.C., husband
Alfred John Read, parents John Marsh and Alice Margaret Bloomfield, husband was the informant.
http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/15c079d7-b231-4f4f-8bd4-4dcb0174d5a2
DB
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Name: Mary Ann Bibby
Gender: Female
Spouse Name: Alfred John Read
Spouse Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 20 Dec 1915
Marriage Location: Vancouver
Registration Number: 1915-09-080956
BCA Number: B11379
GSU Number: 1983707
ancestry hints link her to a Mary Ann Read, age 71, died Vancouver 1 June 1956, obituary 5 June 1956. Perhaps someone with access to newspapers.com can see if this is really her and if it mentions children named Bibby.
Marriage Announcement
Vancouver Daily World
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
21 Dec 1915, Tue • Page 12
Marriage: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/47737731/read-bibby-marriage/
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Alfred died in 1955
The Province
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
12 Feb 1955, Sat • Page 26
Death: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/47737903/alfred-john-read-death/
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Mary Read in 1956
The Vancouver Sun
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
05 Jun 1956, Tue • Page 26
Death: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/47738008/mary
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Hi All
A huge thanks to everyone who replied to my post. I now have a good idea of the brief life of Herbert when he emigrated to Canada. I think that, given the time from when he married to when he died, any children would be unlikely, although possible. I have also located his sister, who also emigrated to Canada a few years later. Both Herbert and his sister married Scots; perhaps there was a family link between Yorkshire and Scotland in the past.
Again, many thanks for all your help.
I have other queries about my family's Canada link which I will post separately one in particular which has perplexed me for a number of years.
Darryl Nugent