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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: Devilish on Saturday 28 March 20 21:08 GMT (UK)
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Hi, I hhope i've posted this in the right place!
I know a lot about this ancestor i've got here, Jesse Walter - b. 1850 in Berkshire to Elijah & Hannah Walter /walker.
I know most of the details about him, all the children and census entries up to 1891 - where he's in Paddington, with 3 children, Herbert, Earnest & Jessie. His wife (Eliza) dies in about 1892, but 1901 onwards he starts using other names like Henry and William (maybe, in 1911).
He died on 24th Feb 1918 (I have the certificate.) That's where i've hit a problem. His informant is listed as Lucy Walter, widow. But i've got no idea who she is, where a marriage note is (if it happened at all, or just put on the form that way) or what happened.
It's clear 18 months later his son Herbert and wife got married and were living at the same address - in October 1919 - but I can't find any evidence of her.
Plus i'm missing reliable info about Jesse from 1903 onwards and seems sketchy. Does anyone know anything I don't here? as i'm getting confused.
If any other info is needed, I'll add some.
Thanks,
Richard
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but 1901 onwards he starts using other names like Henry and William (maybe, in 1911).
What marital status does he give on later census and is he back to Jesse on the death certificate?
Is that the only sign of Lucy - have you found a death for her.
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Can you describe the family you are seeing in the 1891 Census....names, ages, birthplace, address.
Can you describe the family you are seeing in the 1901 Census.....names, ages, birthplace, address.
What is the address you have for the 1918 death, and the 1919 marriage.
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1891 he is Henry but born Herefordshire Hereford not Faringdon Berkshire as on earlier census :-\
When did Jesse marry Eliza?
This is the 1891 I am looking at
Henry Walter 39 coachman
Eliza 38 born Bury St Edmunds
Herbert 16 born Bury St Edmunds
Jessie 15 born Hampstead
Ernest 10 born Hampstead
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Yes confusing when Jessie daughter marries she puts father as Henry
but when son Ernest marries he puts father as Jesse so they do appear to be the same person.
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The 1891 census listed by Milliepede is correct.
The 1901 census I had shoeboxed on Ancestry says:
Henry Walter 48 looks Like Wdow in the status box. Also can't even read where it says he's born. Looks like N. K. and three letters after, impossible to tell.
Jessie (15 in 1891) died in 1900. - I know this, because I've obtained the death certificate, and Jesse Walter was the informant. And happened at the same address.
Herbert wasn't there.
Earnest is listed. Age 20 looks like Metal something for job, looks like London St. Pancras but again, very hard to read.
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I see the 1901 now thanks.
Birthplaces are transcribed as
Henry - N, England - I read it as N K Eng(land) and agree he is widower stableman groom
Ernest - St John Wood, London, England metal plater?
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1911 is even harder. I think I only found it as someone listed as "william walter" as a lodger with another family, who's about 60 years old at the time.
1918, at the end they lived at 64 blomfield road, london. Herbert, the son, lived there after he died, but what happened before 1918 i'm not sure, and I can't access the Electoral Roll - as he's listed on ancestry multiple times (anything around Paddington, i'm convinced is him, as he died there.)
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Does the death have an occupation for him?
So "Lucy" only appears sometime after 1911 and before 1918.
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1919 electoral roll shows Lucy Martha Walter at 64 Blomfield Road
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Yes just saw that and in 1920 she appears with Albert Herbert Walter.
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There are others with her 1918 - 1920 but in 1920 there is also Albert Herbert Walter and Maud Walter.
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Yes Millie, his occupation is listed as Stableman (Railway.)
I doubt he had that job for that long.
Albert Herbert* Walter and Maud Pack were the married pair in October 1919, and lived at Jesse's address of 64 Blomfield Road.
Lucy Walter, the informant, was the said wife (widow - the death cert says this) was said as living at 64 blomfield road as well, so I can't understand where she vanished to, or any records before 1918.
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There is this man in 1911
John Walter - stableman Great Central Railway with wife Lucy
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW2R-3YY
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I'm not sure about that one heywood - unless (i'm not sure these days!) he changed his name and fudged things a lot - to make it look right.
To me it seems strange that he's easy to follow from 1850-1891, even 1903 (to a point) then just goes into fantasy land. While I accept people did do this kind of thing back then, I'm finding him a particular nightmare.
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I’m not sure either but as wife’s name, surname and occupation fitted, I thought I would post him. ;)
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I wonder if he got up to some mischief at one point and that's why he "forgot" his original birthplace and name :-\
Have you looked for Jesse Walter in newspaper reports to see if any info pops up?
Are there any family trees with him on which may have some info we don't.
Very ???