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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Armagh => Topic started by: KiwiPeter on Sunday 22 March 20 04:33 GMT (UK)
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Hi all, VERY VERY new user and feeling my way. Now My GG Grandparents came from Tartaraghan, Armagh, Ireland and came over on the "Ganges" to new Zealand in 1865
Now how do I go about getting a copy of their birth records and/or Marriage records.
What does it cost and is it hard to do. I have sort gone as far as I can with this line.
They were married before they left Tartaraghan, Armagh, Ireland 19 May 1864
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Welcome to Rootschat
If the marriage was registered you get a copy here
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
You just need to prove your not a robot and sign in. Cost is zero.
For births or if the marriage wasn't registered you need church records so it depends on their religion.
Surviving church records
https://www.johngrenham.com/records/church.php?civilparishid=402&civilparish=Tartaraghan&search_type=full
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Tartaraghan, Armagh is here... http://www.rootschat.com/links/01p7o/
in LURGAN REGISTRATION DISTRICT https://www.swilson.info/regdistmap.php?gregdistid=108
IF they were not R.Catholic one can try
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
which is the Irish Govt BDM Website, safe/free to use!
only entering Surname and LURGAN as district plus 1863 in the last Year Range box
getting all Marriages before 1864 when R.C Marriages were then included!
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IF they were R.C. then Loughgall and Tartaraghan Registers are here https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0227
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I have just heard you asking yourself what-civil-records-are-on-line?... ;D
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line explains!
and Welcome to RootsChat!
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Forgot to say...if you get a list of names on Civil Reg
Right click on 5 or 6 Names and Open them in New Tab
much handier/quicker!
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Welcome also from me :)
This is a good site to find townlands.
Tartaraghan civil parish.
https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/tartaraghan/
KG
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There's also http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/ if any of your ancestor's relations stayed in Ireland. It's also free.
KG
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Births weren't recorded until 1864, so you would be looking for church records. What are the names. I'm also researching in this parish. Is it the John Smith/Mary Matchett who were married that day in Tartaraghan:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1864/11608/8272806.pdf
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yes anything really. I take it there would be a birth record some place for them.
Can you make out the Place of residence for Mary??
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Can you make out the Place of residence for Mary??
Cloncore listed as a townland within Tartaraghan Parish on the link already posted by KG and the groom was from Ballynarry - spellings have been standardised since.
And no there won't be a Birth record but you may find a Baptism record in Tartaraghan Parish Records but they are not online, just on microfilm in PRONI Belfast (the marriage was Church of Ireland).
https://www.johngrenham.com/records/church.php?civilparishid=402&civilparish=Tartaraghan&search_type=full
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/publications/proni-guide-church-records
for general info on Irish records & research see https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/
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Thanks for that info, I am new to all this so bear with me as I flounder,
I would like to find the wife of Thomas Smith, Father to John Smith as above,I assume it be before 1843 which is Johns birth date. If I found Thomas Father and Mother details, that would be icing on the cake, But I can only find what I can.
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Mary is from Cloncore and John is from Ballinary. Matchett is a very strong name in that area -- lots of them. No birth records as it predates civil registration of births which began in 1864. They were married in the parish church so were Church of Ireland (established church), and those records are available at PRONI (Public Record Office of Northern Ireland). Since that is currently closed, you could write the curate at St. Paul's Church and ask if they could check their records.
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Griffiths Valuation (a form of land census) was done in 1864 in Co. Armagh. At that time, James was shown in Cloncore. It transferred to a Thomas George Matchett in 1893 (likely a son).
There are Matchetts in Ballinarry as well, along with a few Smith families, but no Thomas, who may have passed away before Griffiths was done.
Reference in the Will Calendars for the death of James Matchett of Concore who died March 9, 1890; administration of the estate granted to the widow, Ellen Matchett.
Here's the family in the 1901 Census in Cloncore:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Tartaraghan/Cloncore/1031752/
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Ellen died in 1908, aged 88 years, so born around 1820.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1908/05482/4535271.pdf
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Reference in the Will Calendars for the death of James Matchett of Concore who died March 9, 1890; administration of the estate granted to the widow, Ellen Matchett.
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014911/005014911_00441.pdf
KG
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This older post suggests that Ellen's maiden name was Metcalfe:
https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/metcalf/2051/
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Ellen died in 1908, aged 88 years, so born around 1820.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1908/05482/4535271.pdf
The informant for her death was her son, Thomas George Matchett. He died on 3rd April 1937.
Matchett Thomas George of Cloncore Birches county Armagh farmer died 3 April 1937 Administration Belfast 20 March to Anne McGrath widow. Effects £87 15s.
https://apps.proni.gov.uk/WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearch.aspx
D/1937/10/1002/16/189 Thomas Matchett 3rd April 1937 77 Male Armagh
https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/
KG
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Sorry I am slow replying, We are in total lock down in New Zealand, so a lot happening.
Please be assured I am taking this all in and trying ensure I understand and Miss nothing.
So I assume it should be easy to find out the wife of Thomas Smith.
Father of John Smith. If she was still around then.
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Have you tried https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
which is the Irish Govt BDM Website, safe/free to use!
only entering Surname and LURGAN as district
then using Filters to get Deaths or whatever (and then the decade if known)
Deaths show age at Death
You may find Marriages of siblings etc also
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The above would be what someone trying to help you would be plucking records from so something for you to do during Lock down.
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ALL CIVIL REG
Birth results for Smith of Lurgan ;
Marriage results for Smith of Lurgan ;
Death results for Smith of Lurgan
LINK http://www.rootschat.com/links/01p8d/
Change Surname if needed.
Any with Returns Page No do not have Images at moment, one needs to check link every fre months to see if any have been updated.
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To get Matchett in Lurgan district use a Search like this on https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp ...then use Filters
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Then if you get a list of names on Civil Reg
Right click on 5 or 6 Names and Open them in New Tab
much handier/quicker!
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Thanks to Hallmark and others, I am taking as much of this in as I can and working with what you have all kindly helped me with.
It's a STEEP learning curve, up to now I have concentrated on doing New Zealand Family and branching out into Ireland and England has been a BIG step forward for me.
Finding and joining this group was like a dream to me and I thank all that have helped me so far, and the admins that do such a wonderful job.
Nga mihi ki taku whanau ki a koe (Thank you from my family to yours)
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I hope Lockdown for you will be as short as possible it is only starting here...
Indeed it can be daunting starting research in another Country but you can at least pass a little time seeing how you get on...plenty of people here to help if you get stuck!
If you are stuck now, just say!
Stay safe!
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Peter, I've done a bit of work in this parish, so let me know if I can be of any help. My daughter is in lockdown with you in Christchurch -- a world away from me here in Canada.
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Hi Kiwi Peter,
The issues with purchasing the certificates is that you get a modern version which does not look anyway near as nice or as authentic in my opinion.
If you can email me the information which you are looking including their names I can send you screen shots of the original civil certificates but I would need names and addresses.
The cost would be a lot less per one as I can get them much easier than you buying them directly and they are currently closed due to corona virus.
I will only be charging you the fee cost of seeing them which is very cheap.
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If you are interested then we can work together on this.
Robert
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I am of Matchett descent. Read the 1641 depositions and you'll see Ellen Pilkington who married Matchett managed to get away with her two children. All Armagh Matchetts are descended from these two children. Ellen's mother was injured and died on the hilltop and had to be left behind. Many were drowned and the reverend was burnt in the Church.
All Matchetts of Armagh are from this reverend and the family. They were from Thurgarton, Norfolk 1500s. Prior to that it's France using machet as the surname.
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Matchett tree
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Is it possible to share a more extended view of that family tree image? I have strong linkage to the Matchett bloodline and would like to learn more. My Matchett relatives hailed from Ballynarry and Cloncore but also had strong connections to Angus, Scotland.
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Here is the text of the 1641 depositions https://1641.tcd.ie/index.php/deposition/?depID=836058r032 There is a time gap after that with no data available.
James Matchett was Vicar of Kilmore & Drumcree from 1613 and recorded as such but neither parish registers exist before c.1780. The earliest registers in the area are Seagoe & Shankill 1670 & 1680.
There is a connection evidently to Co. Cavan.
https://irelandxo.com/ireland-xo/history-and-genealogy/ancestor-database/james-matchett
There are lots of trees online with James Matchett, most showing the Norfolk English aspect before, but this looks similar to the screenshot above https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/163316420/person/142180759586/facts if you wish to browse.
Background on history of Tartaraghhan church https://www.craigavonhistoricalsociety.org.uk/rev/flemingtartaraghanprec.php Church registers start 1840.
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There are church registers for Tartaraghan which predate 1840 starting around 1825 (missing the marriage I need by about 1 year, of course).