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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Renfrewshire => Topic started by: weeblether on Friday 20 March 20 04:32 GMT (UK)
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I wonder if anyone can help me with my search for James Murphy. He was born on April 8th 1899,
His parents were William Murphy and Mary Finlay, he had a sister Minnie and a brother William.He was also half brother to Mary Jane Connis, my Mother. This is the information I have that I know to be accurate.
Can anyone fill me in with what may have happened to him. I was told he was the postmaster in Barrhead Post Office, maybe around 1920.? That he did marry ? and that they lost a child in a terrible accident about the same time. I cant seem to get any further than the accurate information I do have so hoping someone can help me out. Thanks, weeblether
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Have you looked for a marriage or death on Scotlands People?
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Is this a possible death?
James Murphy aged 37 died 1935 ref 572/2 56 Barrhead and Levern
As you have his full birthdate this may also be a possibility if the above death isn't him
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01l0r/
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Thanks CaroleW for your prompt reply. I tried to find him on SP but there were so many with the same name I just got bogged down with it. He was still alive in 1945 but after that I have no idea of his age at death.
I don't know his wife's maiden name or the name or sex of the child who died.
I am not quite sure where to go from the little information I do have.
Thanks again CaroleW
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So 1945 is a starting point for a death search. What info do you have that confirms he was alive in 1945 and how reliable is it?
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I have found the 3 children, William 14, James, 11 & Minnie, 9 living with there uncle James 46 & his wife, Helen & their children at 38 Glasgow Rd, Barrhead, on the 1911 census. No sign of their parents. The eldest, William R. is a Telegraph Messenger for the GPO.
Uncle James & wife Helen were both born in Ireland.
The 3 siblings were all born in Bridgeton & 2 are with William 30 & Mary 29 on the 1901 Bridgeton census.
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You know for definite that James was the son of William Murphy and Mary Finley.
This couple married in Bridgeton, Glasgow in 1894.
There is a death for Mary Murphy other name Finlay who is aged 60 and registered in Dennistoun.
This information would possibly suggest that their son, James Murphy was not from Renfrewshire.
Based on your info, this is potentially your couple with the two sons named:
1901: 182 Dalmarnock Road, Bridgeton
Name Age
William Murphy 30 born Ireland. Chemical Works Stoker
Mary Murphy 29 Born Ireland. Wife
William R Murphy 4 Son b Glasgow ( Matches to William Robinson Murphy birth reg 1896, Bridgeton
James Murphy 1
This is a potential starting point that indicates James may have been born in Glasgow between 1899 and 1900
EDIT Apologies Kloumann, we were posting the same info at the same time
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Samuel Connis married a Mary Murphy, (Widow of William?) 1916, Blytheswood.
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James,s sister Minnie (Blair) died in 1977, Barrhead. William R may have served in 1st WW.
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The James that died in 1937 was not him. Used a spare credit!
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Samuel Connis married a Mary Murphy, (Widow of William?) 1916, Blytheswood.
Well spotted. She was Mary Murphy other surname Finlay according to the index on SP.
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"Old Eagle Eyes" me.
A few possibilities for James' marriage. Jane Taylor, 1920, Barrhead. Bridget Barrett or English, 1923, Paisley. Margaret Cleary, 1925, Neilston. Margaret Hughes, 1926, Neilston.
Possible death of James, 1959, Newton Mearns.
All within a short distance of Barrhead.
No more credits left!!
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James died 6 Nov 1959, he was a retired postman married to Isabella Jack. He died in Mearnskirk Hospital, Newton Mearns, usual address 133 Cleeves Road, Glasgow. The death was registered by his sister Minnie and the cause was chronic Bronchitis and emphhycema, congestive cardiac failure.
He married Isabella in 1932 and the marriage was registered in Camlachie.
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Problem solved. Well done, Crumblie. I didn't have the credits to look it up.
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I was lucky that I did, I really enjoy searching Scotlands People.
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There is also an Intimation for his death in Glasgow Evening Times dated 9 Nov 1959, buried in Neilston Cemetery.
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Thank you all so much, what a great help you have been. This is the information I just couldn't find.
My Grandparents were Samuel Connis and Mary/Finlay/Murphy. She was the widow of William Murphy.
William, James and Minnie were my Mum's half brothers & sister. She was brought up as an only child as the others were older. She lost touch with all of them in 1945. Ive been able to trace Minnie but could never find out what happened to James or William. Thank you for using your SP credits, its very kind of you. I will try and trace him in Glasgow Evening Times too. weeblether :-*
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Thank you for all your help. I wonder if you can give me any information on William Robinson Murphy
also. I cant seem to find him either, have looked on SP trying to find a marriage or a death but with no luck so far. Thank you, ??? weeblether
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I wonder if you can give me any information on William Robinson Murphy also.
Is that William Murphy, father of James, or William Murphy, brother of James, or William Murphy, son of James?
There are three births of William Robinson Murphy on SP, in 1896, 1928 and 1966.
Two marriages, in 1996 and 2009, which could be two marriages of the one born in 1966.
One death in 1971 aged 74, which will be the one born in 1896.
It was quite common for people to forget to give their middle names when they got married (or to add a middle name not on their birth certificate) so you may be looking for a marriage and death of a plain William Murphy. Or he may not have stayed in Scotland.
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I mentioned in a previous post that he was old enough to serve in the 1st WW. There were a few Wm Murphy's that died serving with Scottish Regiments but difficult to to tie them down to your relative.
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There are 9 service returns of war deaths for Wm Murphy's on SP. 3 have no age mentioned & 2 are in the right age group. A 21 yo in 1917 & a 22 yo in 1918. All the others are too old.
You would need credits to check them.
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There are 9 service returns of war deaths for Wm Murphy's on SP. 3 have no age mentioned & 2 are in the right age group. A 21 yo in 1917 & a 22 yo in 1918. All the others are too old.
You would need credits to check them.
Unfortunately the deaths recorded in the service returns don't list the names of the deceased's parents or spouse, so there is little point in looking at them in your case.
Try https://www.cwgc.org/find/find-war-dead/ because very often (not always) the listing there does include the names of parents and/or spouse.
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1 of the 2 Williams that fits the age group left a soldier's Will which is on SP. He was a private with Argyll & Southern Highlanders.
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SP has Wm Robinson Murphy b 1897 (+/- 1yr) dying 1971 in Scotts.
Don
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SP has Wm Robinson Murphy b 1897 (+/- 1yr) dying 1971 in Scotts.
In Shotts :)
See my reply #17 above.
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Scotts...I was in a hurry as I was being called by a higher authority.
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Thank you all so much, through your help I have been able to find out when James died with his birth, death and marriage certificates. I am still struggling with William's information on SP. but I will keep at it, I find SP difficult to navigate sometimes.
Thanks again for your help, much appreciated.
weeblether :)