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I need help, please.
I have the marriage certificate of Peter Harmer Caron aged 24 to Doris Broome aged 22 in 1922 at Collyhurst, Manchester. Included is the name of his father - Frank Harmer Caron as musician.
Who is his father? When/where was he born/baptised?
One of the witnesses to the marriage was one Kitty Harmer Caron, but I have no idea who she might be.
Can anybody help?
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I need help, please.
I have the marriage certificate of Peter Harmer Caron aged 24 to Doris Broome aged 22 in 1922 at Collyhurst, Manchester. Included is the name of his father - Frank Harmer Caron as musician.
Who is his father? When/where was he born/baptised?
One of the witnesses to the marriage was one Kitty Harmer Caron, but I have no idea who she might be.
Can anybody help?
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This might be the family in 1911 with father Frank listed as Francis - a musician https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW1Z-VDP
But no Caron :-\
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Peter’s marriage:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLBG-5YJN
Jamjar
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CARON, FRANCIS VICTOR mmn MEREDITH
GRO Reference: 1890 S Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 73
CARON, JEREMIAH mmn MEREDITH
GRO Reference: 1893 M Quarter in BOLTON Volume 08C Page 517
CARON, MARGARET MARIA mmn MEREDITH
GRO Reference: 1895 J Quarter in BOLTON Volume 08C Page 489
CARON, PIERE JOSEPH mmn MEREDITH
GRO Reference: 1898 M Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 730
CARON, MINNIE CAROLINE mmn MEREDITH
GRO Reference: 1900 J Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 319
CARON, CATHERINE mmn MEREDITH
GRO Reference: 1902 D Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 262
CARON, JOSEPH mmn MEREDITH
GRO Reference: 1904 D Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 278
CARON, SARAH ELIZABETH mmn MEREDITH
GRO Reference: 1907 M Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 260
Jamjar
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Find a Grave
Southern Cemetery, Chorlton Cum-Hardy
Francis Victor Harmer Caron died 26 February 1934
Sarah Elizabeth Harmer Caron died 17 May 1932
Francis V Harmer Caron (born 23 August 1890 died 1940
Listed as positon 1,2 and 3
Father, daughter and son.
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Jeremiah married Celeste Smith 16 December 1916
Francis married Bertha Newton 1 January 1917
Catherine married Leonard Pickering 4 June 1917 (Kitty)
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I can’t see a marriage for the folks.
Jamjar
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Marriage??
Frank Harmer Caron 20 Violinist - Father Peter Caron - actor
Lizzie Meredith 19 Father Jerry Meredith - Innkeeper
Marriage 27 Jan 1889 Toxteth, St James, Lancashire, England
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Looks right, Kay. ;D
Jamjar
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Mar 1889 Toxteth Park 8b 329
CARON Frank Harmer
MEREDITH Lizzie
Jamjar
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1901 census 15 Ella Street Manchester
Frank Harmer 31 professional violin music worker born Wigan
Elizabeth 31 born Wales (1911 Lanfyllin)
Frank 9 born Birmingham Staff
Jerry 7 born Bolton Lancs
Maggie 6 born Bolton Lancs
Minnie 3 born St Helen's Lancs (female)
Pierce age 10 months (as transcribed) this should be Pierre later Peter
Margaret Harmer 72 mother widow born London Mdx.
ADDED mother Margaret died 1902 registered as Margaret Caron age 72 Manchester March quarter vol. 8d page 168
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See previous thread
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=826226.18
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The father:
CARON, FRANCIS VICTOR mmn PERREY
GRO Reference: 1869 D Quarter in WIGAN Volume 08C Page 54
His parents:
Mar 1859 W. London 1c 84
CARON Peter Joseph
PERRY Margaret Ann
Marriage: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJQN-J9J
CARON, PIERRE JOSEPH mmn PERREY
GRO Reference: 1859 D Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 285
Census:
1881: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q275-88GW
1891: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7ZHR-W6Z
Marriage:
Mar 1883 Fylde 8e 839
CARON Pierre Joseph
BENTLEY Martha
Children:
CARON, ELEANOR mmn BENTLEY
GRO Reference: 1883 D Quarter in FYLDE Volume 08E Page 706
CARON, PATTIE mmn BENTLEY
GRO Reference: 1885 M Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 854
CARON, PIERRE JOSEPH mmnBENTLEY
GRO Reference: 1887 M Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 867
Death:
CARON, PIERRE JOSEPH 34
GRO Reference: 1893 D Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 171
Probate: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPL8-R4MQ
CARON, MARGARET CAROLINE mmn PERREY
GRO Reference: 1861 D Quarter in SAINT GEORGE SOUTHWARK Volume 01D Page 166
Death:
CARON, MARGARET CAROLINE 6
GRO Reference: 1868 J Quarter in WHITECHAPEL Volume 01C Page 225
CARON, JAMES HENRY mmn PERREY
GRO Reference: 1865 M Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 313
Death:
CARON, JAMES HENRY 2
GRO Reference: 1867 D Quarter in SAINT LUKE MIDDLESEX Volume 01B Page 472
CARON, SARAH ELIZABETH mmn PERREY
GRO Reference: 1867 M Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 342
Possible marriage:
Mar 1890 Chorlton 8c 934
HARMER Sarah Caron
ROWBOTTOM William, OR SCOTT William
Jamjar
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Great thanks to all who responded !
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I think use of the Harmer surname may orginate from an alias name used by Pierre Joseph Caron's father
From the Anc Poor Law Removal and Settlement Records - Bethenal Green - Orders of Removal
25 Feb 1858 "Rebecca Caron 33 and Peter Joseph Caron 34 Actor of the City of London Theatre also goes by the name of Harmer She was deserted by him .... and unable to support herself "
He is referred to as Peter John Caron alias Harmer born at Mape? St and his father was a weaver and rented the house - mother living in Norton St
It appears he deserted his first wife Rebecca in 1858 and the next year married Margaret Perry as a batchelor
Kay
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Dec 1844 Hackney 3 131
CARON Peter Joseph
MANTOR Rebecca Spring
1861, possibly: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2ML-81CK
1871: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRJ2-ZWM
1851, The father, mother etc of Peter Joseph, above. Only initials are given for the children:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGXL-6NQ
1861, mother: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2ML-8QPM
Death:
CARON, PETER 80
GRO Reference: 1854 J Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 177
Jamjar