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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: ClareLisa on Tuesday 17 March 20 12:31 GMT (UK)
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Hi I'm looking in to my Lancashire family, they were Artingstall's from Ashton Under Lyne and Droylsden. Really looking in to the family of John Thomas Artingstall born 1839.
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Hi ClareLisa,
What information do you have and what are you looking for?
It saves repeating information and unnecessary searching.
Heywood
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Hi I'm mostly looking in to his parents, as I have his birth certificate which gives his parents as Thomas Artingstall and Ann Woods, but I've not been able to find anything records for his mother.
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Is this him described as a Nurse Child in 1851 2234/155/31
John Artingstall 10 yrs b Gorton living with a Whitehead family.
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I think there's a good chance that is him.
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Baptised June 16 1839, abode Gorton, John Thomas Artingstall, parents Thomas and Ann, father's occpn "Hatter"
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A report of an inquest in the Manchester Courier & Lancashire General Advertiser, 9 Dec 1826, names one of the witnesses as a " ... James Artingstall, of Hyde, hatter ...".
Family link somewhere??
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Do you have an address for the family from the birth certificate?
Do you have Thomas and Ann together in a census?
There are several Artingstalls in Gorton in 1841 - Hatters but no Thomas as yet.
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There's a Gorton death, 21 Feb 1839, of a Thomas Artingstall on FindMyPast but cannot find it on the GRO to determine age.
But there is a GRO death registration for a
Thomas Artingstall, Sep Qtr 1839, Chorlton, age 44
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Re the 21 Feb 1839, Gorton death, Thomas was 44 - abode Openshaw.
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They were living in Openshaw when John was born.
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Oh this may explain why I haven't been able to confirm a proper census for Thomas.
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FindMyPast baptism
Elizabeth Artingstall, July 9th 1837, parents Thomas and Ann, abode Gorton, father's occupation "Hatter". Unfortunately, she doesn't make the GRO to confirm mother's maiden name.
There's a transcribed baptism for a James Artingstall, 13 Jun 1830, Manchester, parents Thomas and Ann but occupation not transcribed.
FindMyPast has the marriage (transcription only) of a Thomas Artingstall and Ann Wilde, 1827. How clear is the mother's maiden name on the birth certificate? The GRO has recorded John's mother's maiden name as Wood.
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It says Woods I think, but could be Wood.
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Struggling to find Ann (YoB ?), Elizabeth (1837) and John (1839) on the '41 Census!!
There's this death -
GRO - Ann Artingstall, age 38, Mar Qtr 1842, Manchester
Parish Burials (FindMyPast) - Ann Artinstall (sic), abode Ancoats, buried Feb 22 1842, age 38. Age "fits" a marriage with Thomas, aged 44 at death in 1839.
Have tried searching '41 Census under initials only (workhouse/institutions practice to record initials only) but drawing a blank.
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It makes no sense at all. Thank you for looking.
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I can't spot any missing Census returns for the area we are interested in. Nor can I find a marriage between Thomas' death 1839 and the '41 Census for an Ann Artingstall (his possible widow).
Mmmmmm!
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Lancashire BMD shows this marriage
1856 Manchester, Oldham Road St Barnabad
Elizabeth Artingstall and James Dayley
They are to be seen at 1861 2989/ 29/5
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7JH-YDR
1871 she is with Frederick Hipwell
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KDX9-GJ1
A published family tree shows Elizabeth’s marriage certificate to James Daley and her father is Thomas, a Hatter
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It is a bit strange so publishing for further views
1861 3009/75/21
Oldham
Frederick Hipwell 23 yrs b Leicestershire
Elizabeth Hipwell 24 yrs b Oldham
Frederick Hipwell 2 yrs b Oldham
William Hipwell 4 months b Oldham
These children have mmn Hartingstall
1861 2989/29/5
Previously linked
Droylsden
Elizabeth Daley b Gorton with James and children.
Edward Henry Daley mmn Artingstall
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FindMyPast has the marriage (transcription only) of a Thomas Artingstall and Ann Wilde, 1827. How clear is the mother's maiden name on the birth certificate? The GRO has recorded John's mother's maiden name as Wood.
The 1827 marriage of the above couple shows that both Thomas and Ann Wilde were widows.
Maybe Ann Wood married Mr Wilde then Thomas so the children would have mmn Wood.
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for information
Marriage 16th June 1844 Manchester Cathedral
Ann Artingstall -abode , Gorton, father Thomas, a Hatter
Thomas Aspinall of Gorton
1851 2219/426/40
Gorton
Thomas Aspinall 29 yrs
Ann Aspinall 30 yrs
George Aspinall 6 yrs
John Aspinall 4 yrs
Alice Aspinall 3 yrs
Elizabeth Aspinall 1 yr
Sarah A Aspinall 1 month
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Is that Ann Artingstall who was Thomas's wife?
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I think she may be Thomas’ daughter - along with Elizabeth and James.
They may be John Thomas siblings.
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for information
Marriage 16th June 1844 Manchester Cathedral
Ann Artingstall -abode , Gorton, father Thomas, a Hatter
Thomas Aspinall of Gorton
1851 2219/426/40
Gorton
Thomas Aspinall 29 yrs
Ann Aspinall 30 yrs
George Aspinall 6 yrs
John Aspinall 4 yrs
Alice Aspinall 3 yrs
Elizabeth Aspinall 1 yr
Sarah A Aspinall 1 month
I think she's the 15yr old Ann (age rounded) at HO107 581 29 22
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Yes, could be :-\
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You may already have the following:
Marriage: 12 Feb 1870, Manchester Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England
John Thomas Artingstall - 29, Labourer, Bachelor, 15 May Street, Regent Road
Ann Simpson - 23, no occupation, Spinster, ? May Street, Regent Road
Groom's Father: Thomas Artingstall, Hatter
Bride's Father: John Simpson, Spinner
Witness: Joseph Ryder; Mary Ryder
Married by Banns by: H. H. Westmore Minor Canon
Register: Marriages 1869 - 1870, Page 245, Entry 490
Source: LDS Film 2356915
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-YSNB-1VG?i=211&cat=40069
The witnesses were Joseph Ryder and Mary Ryder; maybe this couple who married in 1847:
Marriage: 19 Dec 1847, Manchester Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Joseph Ryder - Full, Porter, Bachelor, 4 Eltoft Street
Mary Artingstall - Minor, no occupation, Spinster, Droylsden
Groom's Father: George Ryder, Hatter
Bride's Father: Thomas Artingstall, Hatter
Witness: Henry Nuttall; Sarah Ann Artingstall, (X)
Married by Banns by: W. Wilson
Register: Marriages 1847 - 1848, Page 14, Entry 27
Source: LDS Film 2356806
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-YSNB-RVF?i=236&cat=40069
One of the witnesses to the above marriage; Henry Nuttall, is possibly the one that married Matilda Artingstall:
Marriage: 20 Aug 1843, Collegiate Church (later Manchester Cathedral), Manchester, Lancashire, England
Henry Nuttall - Full, Hatter, Bachelor, Droylsden
Matilda Artingstall (X) - Full, no occupation, Spinster, Droylsden
Groom's Father: John Nuttall, Paper maker
Bride's Father: Thomas Artingstall, Hatter
Witness: John Coleman; Charles Andrew
Married by Banns by: W. W. Johnson
Register: Marriages 1843 - 1844, Page 54, Entry 107
Source: LDS Film 2356778
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-YSN1-DRG?i=441&cat=40069
Another POSSIBLE relative?
Marriage: 09 Jan 1848, Manchester Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Joseph Nicholson - Full, Weaver, Bachelor, Gorton
Ann Artingstall (X) - Full, no occupation, Spinster, Gorton
Groom's Father: John Nicholson, Hatter
Bride's Father: Thomas Artingstall, Hatter
Witness: Samuel Artingstall, (X); Eliza Hibbert, (X)
Married by Banns by: W. W. Johnson
Register: Marriages 1847 - 1848, Page 130, Entry 259
Source: LDS Film 2356806
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-YSNB-RKN?i=352&cat=40069
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I had the top one not the others, thank you. I do have a problem that's been bugging me for a while, on the 1881 census there is Ann Fernley down as mother (who I presume is John Thomas Artingstall's mother) so I'm not sure what her maiden name is, or maybe she is Ann's mother.
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I had the top one not the others, thank you. I do have a problem that's been bugging me for a while, on the 1881 census there is Ann Fernley down as mother (who I presume is John Thomas Artingstall's mother) so I'm not sure what her maiden name is, or maybe she is Ann's mother.
This looks promising:
Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1845
Surname: FERNLEY
Forename(s): William
Surname: ARTINGSTALL / WOOD
Forename(s): Ann
Church / Register Office: Cheadle, St Mary
Registers At: Stockport
Reference: ST65/5/194
Source: Cheshire BMD website: http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/
Also in case you don't have this:
Droylsden Cemetery, Section L, Grave 444
1. Gladys Hollingworth, 10 months, 15 Jun 1901
2. John Thomas Artingstall, 68 Years, 05 Oct 1907
3. Arthur Hollingworth, 10 Months, 01 Sep 1908
4. Ann Artingstall, 64 Years, 16 Oct 1911
5. Annie Wood, 28 Years, 01 Dec 1925
6. Athur Hollingworth, 50 Years, 21 Jul 1926
7. Sarah Ann Hollingworth, 63 Years, 06 Jul 1938
Source: Tameside Metropolitan Borough website: https://web.tameside.gov.uk/BACAS/
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That's brilliant. Thank you.