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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: Jackie45 on Monday 16 March 20 23:09 GMT (UK)
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Hi Everyone
Can anyone help me please?
I have a Thomas Carter b1858 who married Jane Ellen Hollis 19.11.1892 in Abram, Wigan. He was 34. Bachelor. He was a labourer. She was 26.; so born around 1866? Spinster. They were living in Bamfurlong at time of marriage.
I have their wedding certificate and it states his father is Thomas Carter deceased. He was a Brakeman? No father listed for Jane.
I just cannot find the father who is deceased at the time of their 1892 marriage.
Can anyone find him please?
Some years ago I was looking at a Carter Hancock Ball line as I thought he was an illegitimate child of Martha Carter who was born 1830 in Backford. I've started to search again and now this certificate has thrown a spanner in the works!
Apologies for the essay.....just wanted to give as much info as possible.
Thank you in advance.
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No info given re his birthplace. If he is the 1901 entry b Whitley Cheshire - you need to ask the moderator to move your post to the Cheshire board
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9G5-VZ5
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Is this him
1861
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7L2-45J
1871
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBNC-JC6
1881
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27G-QLSG
1891
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7WKS-V6Z
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Hi Carole
Thank you so much. Don't know why I didn't find that! You make it look so easy.
Yes. That's the family.
Ill try to get this moved......wish me luck as I've no idea what I'm doing 😃
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Hi
Yes. This looks like it's him.
I just need to find his father.
Thank you so much
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See other census entries posted in my reply - added later so you may not have seen them
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Thanks just seen them.
So the Carter Hancock trail was correct.
I've never found Martha, his mother b1830 married.
So it's a mystery his father is listed as Thomas.
I need to get his birth certificate I think
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He was illegitimate
1861 has 5yr old Joseph William Carter whose birth is on freebmd June qtr 1855 Wirral. GRO online has no mothers maiden name
Thomas Carter birth Dec qtr 1857 Wirral - also no mothers maiden name
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Joseph's birth reg
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:26GL-G4J
Thomas
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:26GB-LRS
Martha was unmarried in 1851 & 1861 as was Joseph. I think the 1871 entry showing them as married is an error
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Thank you.
I had gone down this line but when I got his marriage certificate it threw me.
Wonder why he put Thomas as his father?
Jane's is left blank?!
Mysteries
Thank you for helping
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Not unusual for an illegitimate child to make up a fathers name when they married so as to appear "respectable"
However - as it appears Jane was also illegitimate you have to wonder at his reasoning? The only other explanation was that his biological father was called Thomas but not surname Carter.
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Martha Ball was previously married
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N6PM-QLL
In 1841 Martha aged 10 & brother Joseph 14 are shown as Ball
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Yes I assumed its because of the 'shame' factor.
Think I had better leave it there as I could be searching for years!
Thanks for the Ball marriage also.
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No - Martha is shown as a spinster on marriage entry 1.12.1834 St Peters Liverpool
https://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Liverpool/Liverpool-Central/stpeter/index.html
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Wow! This gets even more interesting!
Thanks again for your help
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I can't find baptisms on FamilySearch for any of the 3 children on the 1841 entry
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7MB-R68
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I've sent you a message Carole as I've worked on this before and really don't want to waste your time