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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => US Lookup Requests => Topic started by: littleorme on Sunday 15 March 20 15:45 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
Does anyone have these sisters in their family tree?
They emigrated from Ireland to US before 1873. I don't know their ages, or whether they travelled together. I have tried the Ellis Island site, without success. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks.
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Ellis Island didn't open until 1892, so that would explain the lack of success there. There are earlier New York passenger lists here - https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1849782 Many immigrants from that era also sailed to Boston, Philadelphia, or even Canada to come to the US.
With such common names, you would almost certainly need details such as ages and where they were from in Ireland to find the right people on passenger lists.
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Hi,
By Ellis island - I meant to write New York >:(
Their parents were married in Rathfriland/Rathfryland, Co Down, Ireland, in 1827.
Thanks
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Do you know their parents names or siblings?
and when their siblings were born? Did any of their siblings or neighbors go to the US? if so, where? Many people settled where they knew someone from home.
edited to add: the siblings likely were born within 20-25 years after the marriage :)
parents' names will help because some records in the US required them as information.
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Hi,
Parents names were John, a cobbler, and Catherine.
Siblings were believed born between 1827 and 1844. remained in Ireland.
Just noticed, that might make the three other girls born between 1827 and 1844 - perhaps.
Thanks
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Catherine's maiden name?
here is a long shot for Bridget, since I know "Trainor" is a surname in So. Down. just pencil it in for now:
7 Aug 1865, arr NY, age 30, servant,
she is on the line below Patrick Trainor, 23, and Rose Anne Trainor, 19, servant
https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=7488&h=5837631&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=uHz28&_phstart=successSource
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here's another arrival you can pencil into your notes, but only because of the person's surname listed just below Bridget on the record:
6 April 1869, NYC, Bridget Moore, age 35, spinster, next line: Mary McGinness, 20, spinster
https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=7488&h=6916545&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=uHz28&_phstart=successSource
and here is
Pat Moore, 20, Mike Moore, 22, Bridget Moore 18, and Sarah Moore, 19 traveling together, arriving 26 Aug 1852, New York
https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=7488&h=399215&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=uHz28&_phstart=successSource
but you said all the other siblings stayed in Ireland ... and no clue in the manifest as to where this group were from.
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So, I went through the first page of results at ancestry.com for Bridget Moore, b 1835, Rathfriland, arriving 1870. ancestry widens out the dates anyway. Lots were born too early or late, or arrived as children. I eliminated 9 more, found 5 maybes, but with no So Down surname as possible companion, and that left the two I posted. There are I don't know how many more pages of results. - just for Bridget.
I was hoping to find the 3 sisters traveling together. But the children usually left one at a time in all the families I have seen, so there wasn't much hope of that.
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You are looking at a problem here. Is there anyone else who might have a little more information about the three sisters, especially where in the US they settled? even a rumor would help. Were they said to have married?
Catherine's maiden name might help on the US records, if the 3 sisters lived long enough, past 1900 or so. Also siblings names might help find them based on naming patterns. Religion would help also, to identify or eliminate them based on maybe US marriage record or burial information.
Thinking out loud and rambling here, but trying to find an angle we can id these people with.
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background from previous enquiry...........
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=796361.msg6532219#msg6532219
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Thanks Oldohiohome - for your generous time. Much for me to consider.
Thanks, again.
Clive
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littleorme: you are welcome. It doesn't look hopeful, but I'll keep at it a little longer.
Are you sure that John and Catherine were married in Rathfriland? Have you found their marriage in a parish register? He was a tradesman and might have moved there later. The reason I am asking is that It looks like he was on on Downpatrick Street, Rathfriland, on Griffith's valuation (1863-4), renting a house, offices, and yard, but there is no John Moore in Drumgath parish on the Tithe Applotment lists, which were taken in 1834. I think they included everyone.
Also, I looked through the baptism registers for Drumgath parish for the 1st 10 years of images and didn't see the surname Moore anywhere. They are readable for the most part at nli.ie
The other thread shows that you have the will abstract - did you see the image itself?
just in case you haven't, here is the link or click on "image" in the search results.
https://apps.proni.gov.uk/WillsCalendar_IE/WillsFindImage.aspx?id=168243&imageType=Png
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Sandra
Thank you for the background link.
Will abstract:
will dated 11 December 1873
died at Rathfriland, 22 January 1874
my stock and trade to my son Edward Moore,
one shilling to:
my wife Catherine Moore,
my son Thomas Moore,
my daughter Margaret Connelly
to my three daughters that is in America, namely Mary Sarah and Bridget one shilling each if called on
executors: son Edward Moore and James Sheeran, both of Rathfriland.
signed John -his mark- Moore
witnesses: Patrick Magee, Barnard Trainor
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son Edward is a merchant on Downpatrick Street in 1901, and says he is 56. His death record, 20 Jun 1904, says he was 58, and a bootmaker (his father's trade.) So he was born about 1844/5 ...so he could have been the last child.
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Have you looked for Marriages of siblings that stayed behind?
Civil Reg Marriage results for Moore of Newry DISTRICT from ? to 1880
LINK http://www.rootschat.com/links/01p6e/
As no one knows their Religion... this explains Years covered
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line
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https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0447 if R.C.
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As no one knows their Religion... this explains Years covered
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line
Their brother Edward was Catholic in 1901, and littleorme, the thread starter, said in the other thread that they asked the parish priest to look at the parish registers.
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Thanks everyone.
I notice now that one of the witnesses to John Moore's will, was Barnard (sic) Trainor.
Oldohiohome has spotted Trainor travelling with Moore on one crossing to US. Perhaps the families were friends in Rathfriland?
The Moore family was RC.
Good point, and I can't now confirm that John & Christine were married in Rathfriland.
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I'm not finding them. If there was a way to search for neighbors of people on a census, then maybe they would turn up, if they were all single in 1870 and all close to each other, .. but there isn't.
What about obituaries for parents and siblings in Ireland? I don't know where they would be, but someone on rootschat might. Maybe try the Co. Down forum. Do you know when they died? I see their father in 1st qtr 1874, age 67, if I remember right. When did the mother, brother Thomas, and Margaret Connolly die? If you know, look for an obit. They might mention the sisters in America.
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Just Tick Death box also on
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp and search
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Thanks both. Plenty to follow through.
Thomas, a brother, married Rose (unknown), and died in Rathfriland on Feb 11 1882.
Margaret married John Connolly, and died on June 22 1888, possibly in Belfast.
Edward married Mary Kelly, and died in Rathfriland on June 20 1904
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Just change Year Range as needed and District (if known) or leave District blank
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Marriage of Edward to Mary Kelly 1874 - witnesses Bernard Travors and Mary Travors
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1874/11236/8119928.pdf
Marriage of Bernard Travers and Mary Magee - witness Edward Moore
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1874/11226/8115628.pdf
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Thank you very much! Names are often difficult to read and are sometimes written as they were heard. Even more to look at now!
Thanks
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Thanks both. Plenty to follow through.
Margaret married John Connolly, and died on June 22 1888, possibly in Belfast.
Death results for Margaret Connolly from 1888 to 1888 on
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
LINK http://www.rootschat.com/links/01p6i/