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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Berkshire => England => Berkshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: lorraineosborne on Tuesday 10 March 20 12:37 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for the family of Lily Charlotte Eamer born Easthampstead, Berkshire in Mar Qtr 1903.
Her parents Edward Eamer and Emma J Holloway who married in 1902.
I've tried to find the family on the 1911 census but can't - they should be on it and Lily would have been about 7 or 8. There are lots of variations of Eamer but I've looked for any which are possibilities - no luck. Also I thought I would find the parents as single people on the 1901 but haven't managed that.
I know that Lily Eamer married William C Seyboth in 1926 in Wokingham. (she was down as Lilian).
Any help on this would be most grateful - surely they can't both be missing on 1911 and 1939 records.
Loz57
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Do you have her marriage certificate to William Seyboth and if you do, does it give her father as Edward/
My reason for asking is that on the marriage entry she is down as Lilian E C Eamer. In 1939 a person with the surname Seyboth is in Coulsdon Surrey in either a home or hospital and there is a death for a Lilian Ellen C Seyboth Dec 1979 Surrey South Eastern 17 1278 but the entry gives a dob of 30 November 1903 which doesn't fit with a birth ref of March quarter 1903.
Emeltom
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The GRO index mentions her birth as occasional copy :-\
EAMER, LILY CHARLOTTE ELLEN HOLLOWAY
GRO Reference: 1903 March Quarter in EASTHAMPSTEAD Volume 02C Page 406
Occasional Copy: B
also siblings
EAMER, FREDERICK WILLIAM HOLLOWAY
GRO Reference: 1907 June Quarter in EASTHAMPSTEAD Volume 02C Page 433
EAMER, DOROTHY VIOLET HOLLOWAY
GRO Reference: 1909 June Quarter in EASTHAMPSTEAD Volume 02C Page 415
In Wokingham reg district
EAMER, WILLIAM GEORGE HOLLOWAY
GRO Reference: 1911 June Quarter in WOKINGHAM Volume 02C Page 372
So they moved between the birth of Dorothy 1909 and William 1911
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National School admissions have
1911 Lily Eamer dob 30 Nov 1902 at The Palmer CofE School, Wokingham. Parent Edward of Fairview, Seaford(?) Rd Left 1913 - "left the town"
1913 Lily Lamer dob 30 Nov 1902 at The Palmer CofE School, Wokingham, Parent Mrs Holloway of Peach St
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Dorothy married a Seybroth also 1933 in Surrey, William Eamer was a witness
Cant find them 1911.
Edward died 1926 age 47 (1879)
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Wonder why the Birth Ref for Lily has Occasional Copy B on it. That usually means a change has been made.
Emeltom
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Have you seen the marriage certificate of Edward and Emma?
Possible
Edward Emer in 1891 census at Bullbrook, Warfield, Easthampstead, Berks.
b 1879 Wokingham
With his mother and new stepfather - William Woodeson
They are still there in 1901 but Edward isn't with them.
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According the the GRO ref for the marriage she isn't Emma she is Ellen Jane Holloway.
Emeltom
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There is a
Ellen Holloway b1880 at 62 Rose Street, Wokingham in the 1901 census, but really need her fathers name from the marriage certificate to know who we're looking for.
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Ellen Jane Holloway Dec 1879 Wokingham 2c 393 mmn Hill
William Holloway, a Gardener, married Charlotte Hill in Wargrave 7 August 1875
His occupation fits with the 1881 and 1901 Census. 1891 he was a Rural Postman.
Emeltom
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Sorry I have written two replies but I think I keep losing them as another message comes through.
Thanks for all the replies.
Lily (Lilian) Seyboth was in a hospital and William Seyboth got a divorce on the grounds of Mental illness. He re-married in Mar Qtr 1843 to a Daisy Catling or Caitling.
And yes I think Lily did die in this hospital.
I will look at all your replies and see what I can put together.
Thank you - that's all so helpful.
Loz57
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Its really strange that I can't find the family on the 1911 census - the children were only small. I've seen the school admissions for Lily Eamer in 1911 and 1913.
I've looked at alternative spellings - I think something may have been wrong in the family.
Loz57
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I think it would be useful to have the parents marriage certificate. Then you can trace the wider family and see if they were staying with them in April 1911. Alternatively someone may know if some census entries for the area are missing.
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Thank you MarysInMyTree
The entry for Lily at the Palmer Church of England school is very interesting. I found the first entry but couldn't find the other one - is it on the same page?
Loz57
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I found it as Lamer, ( on findmypast) for admission in 1913.
Looks like they maybe left and then returned. Note that parent is given as Mrs Holloway , so using her maiden name perhaps?
Address is Peach street.
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Actually I am just wondering if this " Mrs Holloway" might be lily's grandmother Charlotte Holloway, they are at 57 Peach st in 1911.
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Thanks - that does seem a likely possibility.
Loz57
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Thank you again - just looked up 1911 census and the Holloways at Peach Street. Pity the rest of the grandchildren aren't with them!
Loz 57
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Hi
Just got to pop out, but have been looking at this again this morning...
Lily's father - Married as Edward, was baptised as Edwin Daniel and also on one census as Frederick Daniel.
The Berkshire burial index for Edward Eamer (d 1926) has
"Notes: wife says he was baptised Frederick Daniel but known as Ted +"
This also give the address as Rose Court.
FindMyPast has electoral registers of Frederick and Ellen at this address.
Hope that helps
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Thanks so much for that. If only these ancestors knew what a problem they cause us. I'll look at the Census again and see if anything else comes up.
Thanks again
Loz57
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I have looked very thoroughly into the Eamer family.
I can find Frederick and Ellen on the Electoral rolls but still not on the 1911 census.
I will take back that something could have been wrong in the family because Frederick and Ellen seemed to have lived at 4 Rose Court at least until 1924.
He died in 1926 and as the death record says, he was baptised as Frederick Daniel and shows on the Electoral registers as Frederick Daniel - however, he must have been known as Edward or even Ted, and was registered under the name Edwin Daniel.
On FindMyPast, I found a birth registration for Edwin Daniel and a baptism for Frederick Daniel at St Paul's church. On the baptism record, the mother's name is Annie - I hope that is wrong otherwise it throws the whole thing up in the air again.
On Ancestry, I have records showing Daniel Eamer (Edwin's father) was married to Ellen Rummey.
After looking very carefully at transcripts and actual records, I can see that the Vol and Page numbers have been matched up wrongly.
I am now sure that Daniel Eamer married Ellen Goddard, Sep 1864 in Wokingham, Ellen Rummy married David Page in Sep Qtr 1864 in Bradfield.
Loz57
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Hi
Yes I think Ellen Goddard is correct.
If you look at gro births it shows mother's maiden name is Goddard.
I think the baptism certificate with mother "Annie" is wrong. It gives residence as Embrook. This agrees with their location in the 1881 census.
Thanks for updating us.
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Yes I've checked all the births and they all match with mother's name Goddard. Glad you agree with the error on mother's name.
With regard to his name, maybe the parents were in disagreement over his name so registered one and baptised him another. Then later in life he decided to make it simple and be Edward or Ted. Who knows but its been a confusing search.
Thanks again
Loz57