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Title: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: wildwind on Wednesday 04 March 20 13:17 GMT (UK)
After info on an O;Sullivan family in and around Dublin. . . .  .Father Gerry. . . .Mother Nina (nee Kyle). . . . Children were Una Gerry, Fr Patrick plus others. . . . .  .Please post replies or personal message me. . .  .Thanks. .  . .D
Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 04 March 20 13:20 GMT (UK)


Any particular Millennium?

Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: wildwind on Wednesday 04 March 20 13:23 GMT (UK)
Nina was born Co Antrim circa 1896. . . .  . .Una passed I think 2010. . . .
Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 04 March 20 13:30 GMT (UK)


Marriage of JAMES OSULLIVAN and JANE KYLE
on 04 August 1895

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1895/10536/5837693.pdf

Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 04 March 20 13:35 GMT (UK)
Interesting marriage Hallmark.  :)

Here is Nina Kyle born c 1897, Co Antrim
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Lisnagarran/Tullynahinnion/940585/

Have you already searched for this family, wildwind? It helps if you post all information you know.
Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 04 March 20 13:37 GMT (UK)
Nina/Nancy? In 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Lisnagarran/Tullynahinnion/123900/
Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 04 March 20 13:40 GMT (UK)
Interesting marriage Hallmark.  :)

Here is Nina Kyle born c 1897, Co Antrim
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Lisnagarran/Tullynahinnion/940585/

Have you already searched for this family, wildwind? It helps if you post all information you know.


?


I didn't read it all....
Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: wildwind on Wednesday 04 March 20 14:26 GMT (UK)
I have all the info on Nina. . . . She was my Dads aunt. . . . Remember her well.. . . . But I have no info on the O'Sullivan's other than she married Gerry .. .  .I have him as being Gerry B O'Sullivan. . . . And that is all I have on Gerry. . . . I dont even know which county or Provence he was from but the settled Dublin area. . .  . .I remember near to all the faces but not all the names. . . . . .Una and a sister were nurses. . . . . One of the boys had something to do with the Irish Times. . Irish news or some major Irish newspaper or another. .  . .Another was in at the beginnings or Aer Lingus. . . . .I dont know whether it make any odds or if it would be correct to post it but one of the grandsons had an untimely end Cliffs of Moher. . . . So it is the O'Sullivan line I am interested in to add to my tree. . . . . .Some O'Sullivan surviving family might even turn up and I could share Nina's line with them.  .. . .They were lovely people and I'd love to know more about them particularly their ancestry. .  . .Ask me anything you wish. .  . . Sometimes a mind gets jogged by a suggestion
Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 04 March 20 14:47 GMT (UK)
I have all the info on Nina. . . . She was my Dads aunt. . . . Remember her well.. . . . But I have no info on the O'Sullivan's other than she married Gerry .. .  .I have him as being Gerry B O'Sullivan. . . . And that is all I have on Gerry. . . . I dont even know which county or Provence he was from but the settled Dublin area. . .  . 

But you have the son John, age 11, 1901 census, so ..so you can look for John's Birth, get mother's name, then look for first Marriage.

James says on Census he was born Dublin City

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Mountjoy/Upper_Cumberland_Street/1328529/

Find First Marriage, then look maybe 5 years each way for any siblings Marrying.

James says he was 37 on 1901 Census so you MIGHT get his Birth Reg. Then check Births up to 1870 or after to look for siblings.

Marriage of JAMES OSULLIVAN and JANE KYLE was on 04 August 1895 so Jane wasn't John's Mother!!

All one can do is follow the clues.

Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 04 March 20 14:50 GMT (UK)


With the lack of detail on first post....

Have I got wrong family??

Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 04 March 20 14:56 GMT (UK)
I can’t see a marriage on Irish genealogy - have you looked in Northern Ireland records?
Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: wildwind on Wednesday 04 March 20 17:07 GMT (UK)
But I dont have a jane kyle marrying a john O'Sullivan, , ,  , ,My Great Aunt Nina/Nancy Kyle wasnt born in 1895. . . .. . .
Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 04 March 20 17:34 GMT (UK)
But I dont have a jane kyle marrying a john O'Sullivan, , ,  , ,My Great Aunt Nina/Nancy Kyle wasnt born in 1895. . . .. . .

In reply #2 you say Nina was born ‘circa 1896’ and in reply #7 you say you have all the info on Nina  :-\

As she might be the child Nancy in 1911, here is a birth for Nancy Kyle in 1896.
Is this your family?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02164/1819960.pdf
Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: wildwind on Wednesday 04 March 20 17:39 GMT (UK)
That is Nina/Nancy. . . . . Yes this is our family
Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: wildwind on Wednesday 04 March 20 17:45 GMT (UK)
Myabe betetr put would be to say that I have all I need on Nancy. . . .  . .If I can get a latch on her husbands family and the children the rest I am sure will come. . . . .  .I thought that a son being a priest would have helped me but there are several Fr Patrick's. . . . . O'sulivan is one of Ireland prolific names. . . . .
Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 04 March 20 17:47 GMT (UK)
I would have thought it good to get an exact date of birth for Nina/Nancy.

Hooray - a bit of a clue - birth of James 1919

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1919/01234/1513174.pdf
Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 04 March 20 17:52 GMT (UK)
But I dont have a jane kyle marrying a john O'Sullivan, , ,  , ,My Great Aunt Nina/Nancy Kyle wasnt born in 1895. . . .. . .



I know that now!!


Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: wildwind on Wednesday 04 March 20 17:55 GMT (UK)
I wrote that before I had read the message above it in my emails. . . .  .Sorry. . . .  .Your doing serious well with this. . . .  . .
Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 04 March 20 17:56 GMT (UK)
I would have thought it good to get an exact date of birth for Nina/Nancy.

Hooray - a bit of a clue - birth of James 1919

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1919/01234/1513174.pdf


Any proof that he was ever in Ireland??

Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 04 March 20 17:58 GMT (UK)
Marriage

Gerald B O'Sullivan and Nancy Kyle
March quarter 1919 Islington vol 1b pg 454
Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Wednesday 04 March 20 17:58 GMT (UK)
Did Gerry and Nancy (Nina) marry in Islington, London? The marriage certificate will give the name and occupation of his father.

From https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Marriage Jan-Mar 1919
Gerald B O'Sullivan to Nancy Kyle   Islington    1b 454

KG

Snap, heywood  ;D ;D
Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 04 March 20 18:01 GMT (UK)
Marriage

Gerald B O'Sullivan and Nancy Kyle
March quarter 1919 Islington vol 1b pg 454

Did Gerry and Nancy (Nina) marry in Islington, London? The marriage certificate will give the name and occupation of his father.

From https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Marriage Jan-Mar 1919
Gerald B O'Sullivan to Nancy Kyle   Islington    1b 454

KG

Snap, heywood  ;D ;D


Just a little outside of Dublin!   ;D

Any proof that he was ever in the fine city of Dublin?

Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: wildwind on Wednesday 04 March 20 18:09 GMT (UK)
You guys are just brilliant. . . . . . I find your replys so fast I think I'm answering the wornd one whiles . . . . .I think???. . . . .The birth of Nina's child at Tullynahinnion is a surprise. . . Certainly not something I'd have considdered. .  . . .The London marriage record is great. . .  . .As to which part of Our Fair City. . . . Sorry. . . I dont know.. . .  .I was never there even as a child
But if any of you are near Ballaghaderreen I'll buy you dinner. . . . . .This is great info for me. .  . Thanks so much
Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 04 March 20 18:16 GMT (UK)

   
Not far from there!    ;D

Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 04 March 20 18:51 GMT (UK)
Death 1950
Gerald Brendan O’Sullivan, 57 yrs , married, Forthill House, Dundalk
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1950/04527/4192528.pdf

Informant is son Sean.
Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: wildwind on Wednesday 04 March 20 19:18 GMT (UK)
Firstly. . . The name rang a bell. . . .  .So I had a quick look online there and the photo of the house is very like one I seen in somebodies album many years ago. .  . . .Thats the house. . .  . .They had a big famliy. . . .  .Doesnt explain the Dublin thing though but I'd be betting that for her family Dublin/Dundalk was all one in their eyes. . . It was Dublin I heard. . .  . ..  .Nina went North and her and her sister looked after their father for I think 4 years up to his death in 1957. . . . . .Now why things jog ones mind I know not. . . .  . . .Here is Una's death notice with a few of the families names none of which I think are around so should be okay. . . . If its not okay to share I'll soon remove it again. . .  . .Any little thing that might help
Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: wildwind on Wednesday 04 March 20 19:18 GMT (UK)
Late of Queen Alexandra Royal Army Nursing Corps., suddenly, at home. Beloved sister of Gerry and Fr. Patrick CSSR; sadly missed by her sisters-in-law Eileen, Elma and Carmel, her nieces, nephews and their families.Removal on Saturday, May 29 at 10am, from Colliers Funeral Home, Old Connaught Avenue, Bray, to St. Columbanus's Church, Loughlinstown, arriving for Requiem Mass at 10.30am, followed by funeral to Shanganagh Cemetery.
Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Wednesday 04 March 20 19:54 GMT (UK)
....Nina went North and her and her sister looked after their father for I think 4 years up to his death in 1957. . . . . .

Have you got William Kyle's date of death/record? It's on GRONI, and available to view for 5 credits (£2.50).

D/1957/25/1004/18/244
William Kyle
29th January 1957      85   Male      Ballymena

https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/

KG
Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: wildwind on Wednesday 04 March 20 20:01 GMT (UK)
Hi Thanks. . . .  .I have him. . . .  .My Paternal G Granda. . . . .  .
Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 04 March 20 20:07 GMT (UK)
This looks like him
Fr Pat O’Sullivan - Redemptorist

Death

http://www.redemptoristsesker.ie/2012/09/death-of-fr-pat-osullivan-redemptorist/

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/190986792/patrick-o_sullivan
Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: wildwind on Wednesday 04 March 20 20:26 GMT (UK)
That is very like the man I'd imagine. . . . . .  . . Hadnt seen him since I was a child. . . . . . He is actually a bit like my father and uncle. . .  .Two of the sister in laws names are also correct so I think ye found another for me. . . .  .Thanks again. . . . . I can many things. . .  .Weld. . Wire. . Plumb. . .You name it but I am no use at records.. . . . .However I am the only one who wants to record my family. . . . 
Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 04 March 20 20:57 GMT (UK)
Well good luck with it all. It is fascinating.
You need to send for that marriage certificate if you want to go further back with Gerry, I think. That would give his father’s name and occupation which hopefully would help.
Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: wildwind on Wednesday 04 March 20 21:04 GMT (UK)
Great work. . .  . .I'll have a look about this cert in a couple days. . .  . .I have last of our stiff to move this week. . . .  . .And one never knows if we get enough posts here maybe one of the descendants will see it and come forth. . . .  That would prob get a load of info in one go. . . .  .The family tree and dna are a bit like that. . . . Nothing for ages and then someone puts some little thing up and there are links everywhere. . .  .You have all done a great job so quickly. . . . . . Thanks a million. . .  .I was not expecting such as fast as this on one eve
Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 04 March 20 21:07 GMT (UK)


One could contact Redemptorists including the Link and ask if his father's name is on any records...


Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 04 March 20 21:10 GMT (UK)


You can walk in to any Registry Office in Ireland and get Cert there and then!  €4.00
Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 04 March 20 21:15 GMT (UK)
I am referring to the marriage of Gerald and Nancy in London.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

They were the parents of Fr Pat, the Redemptorist priest.
Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: wildwind on Wednesday 04 March 20 21:18 GMT (UK)
The link is for brit passport application. . .lol. . ...I dont want one of those. . . . . But I'll find how to get the cert from public records. . . . All good
Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 04 March 20 21:18 GMT (UK)

Oopppppps.....need a good Dinner!!   ;D
Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: wildwind on Wednesday 04 March 20 21:20 GMT (UK)
Fiddlers elbow or Durkins???
Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 04 March 20 21:29 GMT (UK)
The link is for brit passport application. . .lol. . ...I dont want one of those. . . . . But I'll find how to get the cert from public records. . . . All good

It is also for marriage certificates and other items if you look at the list on the right.
You need to log in.
Then go to place an order and work through the sequence.
Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: wildwind on Wednesday 04 March 20 21:31 GMT (UK)
Hallmark. . . . . .Durkins or Fiddlers elbow??
Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 04 March 20 21:31 GMT (UK)
Fiddlers elbow or Durkins???

We enjoyed Durkins a few years ago!
Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Wednesday 04 March 20 21:31 GMT (UK)
Oopppppps.....need a good Dinner!!   ;D

....and probably a strong bottle of wine, hallmark   ;D ;D
Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: wildwind on Wednesday 04 March 20 21:33 GMT (UK)
We dont do wine here. .  . .Whiskey, Brandy, Guinness. . . . .Durkins is best I think. . . .
Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 04 March 20 21:34 GMT (UK)
Oopppppps.....need a good Dinner!!   ;D

....and probably a strong bottle of wine, hallmark   ;D ;D


Makes a good appetizer!   8)

Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: wildwind on Wednesday 04 March 20 21:39 GMT (UK)
I used to like Dry White. . . . .DG Blanc de blanc in particular but I dont know what happened I went right off wine all together. . . . .Wifey still has aload of it. . . . .Hallmark if you realy are close by I would love to know. . . . I am new to the area and def out of the ordinary on most front. . . . Juyst ask in maddens. . . .
Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 04 March 20 22:15 GMT (UK)


Is all in jest...   ;D

Am over in Carrick at moment getting ready to move house too. Just need Electric connected.

Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: wildwind on Wednesday 04 March 20 22:18 GMT (UK)
Closer or further away from Ballaghaderreen. . . . . .Carrick on S is about 50 mins from me. . .
Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 04 March 20 22:22 GMT (UK)


Probably same distance.

Newtowncashel on Lough Ree.

Title: Re: O'Sullivan Kyle
Post by: wildwind on Wednesday 04 March 20 22:25 GMT (UK)
10 minutes more. . . . .. If you ever in the vicinity let me know. . . .