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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: pritchardgeo on Friday 28 February 20 10:45 GMT (UK)
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hello again
i have a william bains born haydock 1829 wife in the 1871 census sub district of newton in makerfield. given as ann. possibly ann cartright as she as ellen cartright. b 1868 haydock is given as a daughter to the above.eldest mary born 1854 in sunderland. so suppose the marriage could have been in sunderland but they are both of haydock. thank you.brian
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'eldest mary born 1854 in sunderland.'
Have you looked up her birth on GRO site for Mother's maiden name?
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Just putting that 1871
William Baines 42 Haydock
Ann Baines 40 Haydock
Mary Baines 17 Sunderland
Ellen Baines 8 Sunderland
Elizabeth Baines 7 Haydock
Thomas Baines 15 Sunderland
David Baines 4 Haydock
'as ellen cartright. b 1868 haydock is given as a daughter to the above'
Sorry - do not understand this.
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David Baines was born on the 1st February 1866 and baptised on 29th July 1868, son of William and Ann Baines of Stubshaw Cross in Ashton.
He is 6 child 3 son, so that is quite interesting information.
But he should be age 5 in 1871.
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BAINES, ELLEN mmn DUCKWORTH
GRO Reference: 1862 J Quarter in WARRINGTON Volume 08C Page 129
William BAGNES
Marriage Date: 10 May 1852
Marriage Place: Parish Church of Wigan, Lancaster
Spouse Ann DUCKWORTH
Image is on Anc under BAYNES
1861 Census
William Baines 30
Ann Baines 29
Mary Baines 7
Thos Baines 5
Ann Baines 3
William Baines 1
1871 Census
William Baines 42
Ann Baines 40
Mary Baines 17
Ellen Baines 8
Elizabeth Baines 7
Thomas Baines 15
David Baines 4
Birth Reg GRO
BANES, MARY mmn DUCKWORTH
GRO Reference: 1853 J Quarter in HIGAN Volume 08C Page 59
BAINES, THOMAS mmn DUCKWORTH
GRO Reference: 1856 M Quarter in WARRINGTON Volume 08C Page 110
Trish :)
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I didnt understand that re Ellen either chempat
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trish1120 beat me to it. About David BAINES, his birth was actually registered in the March qtr of 1867 so he would be 4 on the 1871 census..volume 10A page 384 Easington mmn Duckworth.
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BAINES, ELLEN mmn DUCKWORTH
GRO Reference: 1862 J Quarter in WARRINGTON Volume 08C Page 129
William BAGNES
Marriage Date: 10 May 1852
Marriage Place: Parish Church of Wigan, Lancaster
Spouse Ann DUCKWORTH
Image is on Anc under BAYNES
1861 Census
William Baines 30
Ann Baines 29
Mary Baines 7
Thos Baines 5
Ann Baines 3
William Baines 1
1871 Census
William Baines 42
Ann Baines 40
Mary Baines 17
Ellen Baines 8
Elizabeth Baines 7
Thomas Baines 15
David Baines 4
Birth Reg GRO
BANES, MARY mmn DUCKWORTH
GRO Reference: 1853 J Quarter in HIGAN Volume 08C Page 59
BAINES, THOMAS mmn DUCKWORTH
GRO Reference: 1856 M Quarter in WARRINGTON Volume 08C Page 110
Ellen Baines born 15 Apr 1862
Baptism 22 Jun 1862 Ashton-in-Makerfield, St Thomas, Lancashire
5th Child 3rd Dau father William collier mother Anne
Marriage
10 May 1852 All Saints Wigan, Lancashire
William BAYNES age 21 collier, Hindley father Thomas occ collier
Ann DUCKWORTH age 20, Hindley father John occ leather dresser
Both made their mark (x)
Witnesses James Hindley & Mary Holme (x) her mark
Edit to add
Anne Baines born 16 Jul 1857
Baptism 30 Aug 1857 Ashton-in-Makerfield, St Thomas, Lancashire
3rd Child father William, Collier mother Anne
Ann BAINES, mmn DUCKWORTH
1857 S Quarter in WARRINGTON Volume 08C Page 98
William Baines
Baptism 8 Jan 1860 Ashton-in-Makerfield, St Thomas, Lancashire
4th child 2nd son father William Collier, mother Anne
William BAINES mmn DUCKWORTH
1859 D Quarter in WARRINGTON Volume 08C Page 102
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'as ellen cartright. b 1868 haydock is given as a daughter to the above'
Sorry - do not understand this.
There is an Ellen CARTWRIGHT who belongs to the previous family on the 1871 census, her mother is Esther.
Debra :)
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chempat.ladyhawk.dundee.and trish.
thanks so much for all the information.and apologise for the error of adding cartright.
really helpful.thanks
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I am a little puzzled by that 1871 as in 1861
Name Age
William Baines 30 - b Haydock
Ann Baines 29 - b Leeds
Mary Baines 7 - b Hindley
Thos Baines 5 - b haydock
Ann Baines 3 - b Haydock
William Baines 1 - b Haydock
John G Bibby 20
Martha Meredith 60
Samuel Meredith 27
Margaret Meredith 18
William Meredith 15
Martha Banks 22
Thomas Meakam 20
John Banks 3
Elizabeth Banks 6/12
no mention of Sunderland and the baptism on lan-opc match those places of birth for the children
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I agree.
I was working from the 1871 census, and trying to find a pattern of births in the 2 areas, as older children claimed to be born Sunderland, and the 2 younger in Haydock. Also Ann says Leeds in 1871.
Presumably they got the year of birth of their son wrong, as it definitely says 1866:
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looking at the registrations for the children they seem to be mixed up in that 1871 census
Mary reg Wigan
Ellen & Thomas warrington (Hindley)
Elizabeth & David Easington (Sundewrland
David reg Mar qtr 1867 as suggested by chempat
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If it's any help Thomas, a collier, was William Baines/Baynes father, and Ann Astin or Austin was his mother.
In 1841 William is in Haydock with these parents, and older siblings Sarah and Thomas, as well as younger siblings David and Mary.
Thomas and Ann married in 1823.
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David should be the 7th child:
(ages from 1861 and 1871 censuses)
Mary about 1854, Thomas about 1856, Ann about 1858, William about 1860, Ellen about 1863, Elizabeth about 1864 and David about 1867.
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chempat.lancsann,and threfaal.thank you most helpful info.
thanks again.brian