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Ancestry of Walter Voisey, had a brother William, I believe his father was also called William. Married to Catherine Schomberg.
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Can you provide some more information, particularly dates and places if known?
Which of the 3 men you named was married to Catherine Schomberg? Do you know when & where the marriage happened? Have you seen the marriage certificate?
What do you require help with?
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I've just reported this to a moderator. It needs to be in the Ford Cemetery look-up offer thread. For some reason the thread was moved to main Lancs enquiries. I've reported both. The Ford thread needs to go back to look-up offers and this needs to be added to the end of that thread to make sense.
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Walter was married to Catherine Schomberg, yes I have seen the marriage certificate. The marriage took place 26th November 1917 St Mary of Angels.
Liverpool. I really want his ancestry as I got a bit stuck. Believe his father was William.
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I've just reported this to a moderator. It needs to be in the Ford Cemetery look-up offer thread. For some reason the thread was moved to main Lancs enquiries. I've reported both. The Ford thread needs to go back to look-up offers and this needs to be added to the end of that thread to make sense.
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As Deodar is asking for information about Walter VOISEY, and found info about the cemetery details of Walter and Catherine on the previous thread, I think it's fine that the request is on the Lancs board. :)
There is a Walter VOISEY (a carter) born c1891 in the 1911 census with father William (cabinet maker) at West Derby
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWT2-WDY
and in 1901 (with brother William):
William J Voisey 42 Liverpool (cabinet maker)
Mary Voisey 42 Bolton
William J Voisey 16 Liverpool
Ellen Voisey 15 Liverpool
John Voisey 12 Liverpool
Walter Voisey 10 Liverpool
James Voisey 7 Liverpool
Thomas Voisey 5 Liverpool
Charles Voisey 1 Liverpool
Does this sound like the right family?
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There is a William VOISEY married Mary
Ann Jane GALE in December qtr 1881 registered at Toxteth Park (8b/501). on FreeBMD (free to search)
https://www.freebmd.org.uk
The children's births can be found on the GRO with mother's maiden name GALE (free to search, but you need to register)
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp
eg Walter VOISEY birth reg Sept qtr 1890 West Derby (8b/564) mmn GALE
You can find them on the censuses relatively easily on familysearch (free to search, but again you need to register)
https://www.familysearch.org
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William John VOISEY was baptised 21 Nov 1858 at St Peter, Liverpool: parents Thomas and Mary Ann.
His birth registered December qtr 1858 at Liverpool (8b/160) mmn COOKSON
Thomas VOISEY married Mary Ann COOKSON Sept qtr 1858 at Liverpool (8b/326)
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Other possible children not on 1901 census:
George registered 1892 West Derby
Harold 1884 Toxteth Park. There was also Gertrude registered 1893 Toxteth Park.
These all from Lancashire BMD without mother's maiden surname. www.lancashirebmd.org.uk
Got an error message on GRO.
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In 1871 William is at the home of his aunt :
Sarah Radford 39 Liverpool (lodging house keeper)
Willm Henry Radford 9 Liverpool
Mary A Voisey Sister 34 Liverpool (widowed, laundress)
William J Voisey Nephew 12 Liverpool
Sarah E Voisey Niece 4 Liverpool
Thomas J Voisey Nephew 2 Liverpool
Martha Cookson Sister 22 Liverpool (waistcoat maker)
Margaret Radford Niece 21 Liverpool (theatrical profession)
Thomas Payne Brother-in-law 32 Manchester (plasterer)
Hannah Payne Sister 30 Liverpool (dressmaker)
Ellen Payne Niece 9 Liverpool
Elizabeth Payne Niece 8 Liverpool
Louisa W Payne Niece 7 Liverpool
William Richmond Visitor 40 Garstang (labourer)
Phoebe Richmond Visitor 28 Liverpool
William H Richmond Visitor 1 Liverpool
GBC/1871/3787/0179
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A Thomas J VOISEY died aged 33 registered at Liverpool March qtr 1868 (8b/187)
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Walter was married to Catherine Schomberg, yes I have seen the marriage certificate. The marriage took place 26th November 1917 St Mary of Angels.
Liverpool. I really want his ancestry as I got a bit stuck. Believe his father was William.
Was his father's name on marriage certificate?
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[quote author=maddys52 link=topic=826122.msg6898129#msg6898129 date=1582423304
in 1901 (with brother William):
William J Voisey 42 Liverpool (cabinet maker)
Mary Voisey 42 Bolton
William J Voisey 16 Liverpool
Ellen Voisey 15 Liverpool
John Voisey 12 Liverpool
Walter Voisey 10 Liverpool
James Voisey 7 Liverpool
Thomas Voisey 5 Liverpool
Charles Voisey 1 Liverpool
Does this sound like the right family?
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There is a William VOISEY married Mary Jane GALE in December qtr 1881 registered at Toxteth Park (8b/501). on FreeBMD (free to search)
https://www.freebmd.org.uk
Lancashire BMD index has Mary Jane Gale as Mary J.V. Gale.
This looks like her baptism at St. Peter, Bolton.
13th Nov. 1859 Mary Jane Vickers Gale daughter of Mary Gale, Spinster. Abode Little Bolton
www.lan-opc.org.uk
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In 1891, William VOISEY is in West Derby:
William Voisey 32
Mary Jane Voisey 32
William J Voisey 6
Ellen Voisey 4
John Voisey 2
Walter Voisey 0
Thomas J Voisey Brother 22
James Vickers Father In Law 72
RG12/2989/ 14 pg 21
I don't think this means James VICKERS was Mary Jane's father though. You can see them in the 1881 at Mill St, Toxteth Park:
James S Vickers 61 Bolton Le Moors
Mary Vickers 44 Liverpool
Williams Vickers 22 Liverpool
Sarah E Vickers 14 Liverpool
Thomas Vickers 12 Liverpool
Mary Jane Gale Niece 20 Bolton Le Moors
RG11/3636/62 pg 12
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Thank you, I am new to this site so sorry to have caused some problem. I will need to study this as it is always a problem with so many people in one family tree having the same names 🙂 thanks again Maureen
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You haven't caused a problem at all. :)
Interesting marriage - James Sutcliffe VICKERS and Mary Ann VOISEY Sept qtr 1873 Liverpool (8b/188). Familysearch has this marriage 3 Aug 1873 with Mary's name "CORKSON or VOISEY".
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In 1891, William VOISEY is in West Derby:
William Voisey 32
Mary Jane Voisey 32
William J Voisey 6
Ellen Voisey 4
John Voisey 2
Walter Voisey 0
Thomas J Voisey Brother 22
James Vickers Father In Law 72
RG12/2989/ 14 pg 21
I don't think this means James VICKERS was Mary Jane's father though. You can see them in the 1881 at Mill St, Toxteth Park:
James S Vickers 61 Bolton Le Moors
Mary Vickers 44 Liverpool
Williams Vickers 22 Liverpool
Sarah E Vickers 14 Liverpool
Thomas Vickers 12 Liverpool
Mary Jane Gale Niece 20 Bolton Le Moors
RG11/3636/62 pg 12
That's intriguing. Perhaps James Vickers was pretending she was his niece. Mary Jane was Mary Jane Vickers Gale at baptism. I don't know if that signified that her father's surname was Vickers or if Vickers came from her mother's family.
There was a Mary Gale of Little Bolton buried 14th January 1860 in Tonge Cemetery, Bolton. She was a 34 year-old washerwoman. Died at Naisby Court, Back St., Little Bolton.
Added. Just seen your latest post maddy. This is convoluted but interesting. ???
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So William John Voisey's widowed mother married a relative (uncle) of his wife, Mary Jane? "Father in law" on 1891 census might have meant stepfather. I've seen father-in-law instead of stepfather before.
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So William John Voisey's widowed mother married a relative (uncle) of his wife, Mary Jane? "Father in law" on 1891 census might have meant stepfather. I've seen father-in-law instead of stepfather before.
Yes, I think that is right. Mary Ann COOKSON married Thomas VOISEY in 1858, then married James Sutcliffe VICKERS in 1873 after Thomas died. Her son, William John VOISEY married Mary Jane Vickers GALE, who is described as "neice" to James.
Mary Ann COOKSON born c1836 is the daughter of John COOKSON (joiner) and Mary Ann FULFORD. They were married in 19 July 1824 at Liverpool and had 13 children between 1825 and 1851.
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I notice Mary Jane Vickers GALE's marriage to William John VOISEY on 26 Dec 1881 at St John the Baptist, Liverpool has her father Joseph GALE. I wonder if this is what she believed, or whether made up for the marriage?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NFFF-6B9
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I think James Sutcliffe VICKERS is the son of James VICKERS (weaver) and Ann SUTCLIFF married 3 Nov 1805 at St Peter, Bolton. (from Lancs opc)
They had a number of children including James (baptised 1819). The other boys who could possibly be the father of Mary Jane GALE are Walter (bap 1835), Edwin (bap 1827), Nicholas (bap 1824), Thomas (bap 1814), John (bap 1808) and Richard (bap 1807).
Walter is still with his parents in 1851
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG5S-PLJ
Walter, Edwin, Nicholas and James are with their parents in 1841
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQLN-N8Y
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You haven't caused a problem at all. :)
Interesting marriage - James Sutcliffe VICKERS and Mary Ann VOISEY Sept qtr 1873 Liverpool (8b/188).
Familysearch has this marriage 3 Aug 1873 with Mary's name "CORKSON or VOISEY".
Confirming marriage details
Mary Ann VOISEY f/a widow father John COOKSON , Joiner
married on 3 Aug 1873 at St Nicholas Liverpool
Spouse James Sutcliffe VICKERS, widower, engine driver father James occ weaver
Edit to add Mary Ann Voisey/Cookson on 1871 (already given by Maddie) /1861 and 1851 census
1871 census address 63 Gloucester Street
Sarah RADFORD a widow Head 39 Lodging house keeper born Liverpool ,
lots of person in the household including
Mary A VOISEY a widow Sister 34
nephews William J age 12, Thomas J age 2 and niece Sarah E age 4
the childrens surname dittoed as VOISEY
Martha COOKSON single sister 22
All noted as born Liverpool
Piece: 3787 Folio: 91 Page Number: 13
Sarah COOKSON married on 10 Jan 1855 at St John Liverpool father John occ joiner
Spouse Peter RADFORD
1861 census Piece: 2737 Folio: 46 Page Number: 5
Thomas Joseph Voisey Head 26 Cabinet Maker
Mary Ann Voisey wife 24 Liverpool
William John Voisey son 2
Martha COOKSON sister in law 12
William John VOISEY mmn COOKSON
1858 D Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 160
1851 Piece: 2182 Folio: 564 Page Number: 40
John Cookson 55 house joiner
Mary Ann Cookson 45
William Cookson 25
Sarah Cookson 19
Mary Ann Cookson 14 general servant
Anne Cookson 10
Ellen Cookson 8
Martha Cookson 2
Jane Cookson 2 Mo
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I've just reported this to a moderator. It needs to be in the Ford Cemetery look-up offer thread. For some reason the thread was moved to main Lancs enquiries. I've reported both. The Ford thread needs to go back to look-up offers and this needs to be added to the end of that thread to make sense.
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As Deodar is asking for information about Walter VOISEY, and found info about the cemetery details of Walter and Catherine on the previous thread, I think it's fine that the request is on the Lancs board. :)
There is a Walter VOISEY (a carter) born c1891 in the 1911 census with father William (cabinet maker) at West Derby
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWT2-WDY
and in 1901 (with brother William):
William J Voisey 42 Liverpool (cabinet maker)
Mary Voisey 42 Bolton
William J Voisey 16 Liverpool
Ellen Voisey 15 Liverpool
John Voisey 12 Liverpool
Walter Voisey 10 Liverpool
James Voisey 7 Liverpool
Thomas Voisey 5 Liverpool
Charles Voisey 1 Liverpool
Does this sound like the right family?
The thread is in offers and it's not an offer so it needs to be moved so a mod report was the right thing to do.
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Not sure if you have these
Walter Voisey Burial 4 Nov 1958 Yew Tree Cemetery, Liverpool, Lancashire
Catherine Voisey Burial 29 May 1957 Yew Tree Cemetery, Liverpool, Lancashire
from Liverpool, England, Catholic Burials, 1813-1985
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There is a William VOISEY married Mary Jane GALE in December qtr 1881 registered at Toxteth Park (8b/501). on FreeBMD (free to search)
https://www.freebmd.org.uk
Lancashire BMD index has Mary Jane Gale as Mary J.V. Gale.
This looks like her baptism at St. Peter, Bolton.
13th Nov. 1859 Mary Jane Vickers Gale daughter of Mary Gale, Spinster. Abode Little Bolton
www.lan-opc.org.uk
Is this death of Mary Jane Vickers Gale’s Mother Mary Gale?
from Lancashire OPC
Mary Gale age 34 occ washerwoman
Burial 14th Jan 1860 Tonge Cemetery
Died 1 Naisby Court Bark Street Little Bolton
Burial Div 4 Sec Y 42
and is this
Mary Jane Vickers Gale as Mary J Vickers on 1861 census with her father James Vickers
living 2 Naisby Court Little Bolton
James Vickers Head 42 Bolton twiner & setter
Jane Vickers wife 32 Preston
Jonathan Vickers son 16 Bolton
Mary J Vickers dau 2 Bolton
Piece: 2823 Folio: 73 Page Number: 35
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Thank you so much for all this information. Maureen
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James Vickers Head 42 Bolton twiner & setter
Jane Vickers wife 32 Preston
Jonathan Vickers son 16 Bolton
Mary J Vickers dau 2 Bolton
Piece: 2823 Folio: 73 Page Number: 35
Familysearch has this family transcribed as VIKERS, but give James' occupation as "turner and fitter" which makes more sense compared to other censuses. :D
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I notice Mary Jane Vickers GALE's marriage to William John VOISEY on 26 Dec 1881 at St John the Baptist, Liverpool has her father Joseph GALE. I wonder if this is what she believed, or whether made up for the marriage?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NFFF-6B9
May be completely wrong here, but I wonder - there is a Joseph GALE married Mary CORT (or GORT) in Jun qtr 1850 Bolton. They have a daughter Elizabeth bap 14 July 1850, and are at Cross ST, Bolton in 1851
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG5S-P31
Joseph dies aged 29 at Back Bark St, and buried 12 July 1857. Then, as mentioned previously a Mary GALE dies aged 34 at Naisby Court, Bark St and buried 14 Jan 1860.
I assume this is Mary Jane Vickers GALE's mother, though the "spinster" on the burial record could be a mistake and should read "widow".
I can't seem to find Mary Jane Vickers GALE's birth registration? ???
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Reply #26. I've been trying to untangle Joseph & Mary & offspring too.
The word "spinster" next to Mary Gale's name was for her daughter, Mary Jane Vickers' baptism not for Mary Gale's burial. (Transcription on Lancashire OPC; I haven't seen original.) Burial register states her age, occupation (washerwoman) and address she died at; marital status not recorded.
If Mary Jane Vickers Gale was a baby when she was baptised in 1859 she couldn't have been Joseph's daughter. If she wasn't a baby and she was old enough to have been his daughter, why was Joseph not recorded as father in baptism entry? (There was a similar situation with my ancestors in 1858.)
I had no luck either with finding a birth registration for our Mary Jane Gale. There was a birth registration for Mary A. Gale, mother's maiden name Austin 1859 Bolton. Can rule her out. Burial at Tonge cemetery July same year of Mary Ann Gale, aged 10 days, daughter of John & Ann; place of death Back King St., Bolton. Marriage 1859, Bolton St. Peter, John Gale & Hannah Austin. Info from Lancs. BMD and Lancashire Online Parish Clerks. I can't find any other likely Mary Gale birth registrations on Lancs. BMD and I looked a few years before 1859. I've been having trouble with GRO so couldn't find births there.
Joseph Gale's occupation at Elizabeth's baptism 1850 was coachman and cab driver at his burial, basically the same type of work.
Doesn't seem to be a birth registration for Elizabeth Gale either. However there is one for Elizabeth COURT 1850 Little Bolton, mother's maiden name Court. Possible confusion between Gort, Cort and Court? :-\
Marriage of Joseph Gale and Mary Cort/Gort was at Christ Church, Bolton. There were several churches called Christ Church in the Greater Bolton area. Marriage not on LANOPC so no other information about them.
I've tried searching for our Mary's birth registration under surnames Court and Gort but no joy.
There was an older Joseph Gale in Bolton who caught my interest, possibly more than one. One was an ostler or groom. He had a wife Elizabeth and 2 sons, Francis, baptised 1830 and William bap. 1834 at St. Peter, Bolton. 2 sons named Cornelius were born to Joseph Gale 1837 & 1841. They died as infants. Joseph was bookkeeper at 1st and a brewer at 2nd. Francis married 1854.
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and is this
Mary Jane Vickers Gale as Mary J Vickers on 1861 census with her father James Vickers
living 2 Naisby Court Little Bolton
James Vickers Head 42 Bolton twiner & setter
Jane Vickers wife 32 Preston
Jonathan Vickers son 16 Bolton
Mary J Vickers dau 2 Bolton
Piece: 2823 Folio: 73 Page Number: 35
Are any of these likely birth registrations for Mary J. Vickers? In case she was legitimate daughter of James Vickers.
1857 mother's maiden name MORRIS, Westhoughton sub-district
1858 mmn. ENTWISTLE, Turton sub-district
1859 (Mary A.) mmn. ISHERWOOD, Little Bolton
1860 (Mary Ann) mmn. BOARDMAN, Little Hulton
(Lancashire BMD)
I couldn't see a birth registration for Jonathan but there were plenty of babies named John Vickers.
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I think James Sutcliffe VICKERS is the son of James VICKERS (weaver) and Ann SUTCLIFF married 3 Nov 1805 at St Peter, Bolton. (from Lancs opc)
They had a number of children including James (baptised 1819). The other boys who could possibly be the father of Mary Jane GALE are Walter (bap 1835), Edwin (bap 1827), Nicholas (bap 1824), Thomas (bap 1814), John (bap 1808) and Richard (bap 1807).
Edwin might be out of the frame if Mary Jane was born in 1859. Edwin Vickers aged 29 buried Tonge Cemetery March 1857, same year as Joseph Gale. Died at Bradshaw Street. Edwin Vickers marriage 1850; a witness was Walter (transcribed as Walton on LANOPC) Vickers. There are a lot of Vickers burials in Tonge Cemetery.
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Joseph dies aged 29 at Back Bark St, and buried 12 July 1857. Then, as mentioned previously a Mary GALE dies aged 34 at Naisby Court, Bark St and buried 14 Jan 1860.
Bark St. exists according to 2014 edition of Bolton & district A-Z. It's a short street near Queen's Park and between Marsden Road and Chorley St. It's near the boundary between Great Bolton and Little Bolton townships. That explains why one burial has the location as Great Bolton and the other as Little Bolton. A narrow piece of Little Bolton curves around west of Great Bolton and a rectangle of Great Bolton protrudes into it. Tonge Cemetery is 2 +half miles east on the other side of town.
Naisby Court may have been named in memory of the Parliamentarian army's victory at the Battle of Naseby 1645. Bolton was loyal to Parliament in the Civil War and was besieged.
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However there is one for Elizabeth COURT 1850 Little Bolton, mother's maiden name Court.
Yes, I assumed this was Elizabeth's birth registration, born just before the marriage I guess.
Found this snippet, though it doesn't help with Mary Jane's parentage.
Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser, Wednesday, Feb. 9, 1848
"CAUTION TO CABMEN, - At the Borough Court, on Monday, Joseph Gale, a cab driver in the service of Messrs. Higson and Greenwood, was summoned by Mr. Harry Bridson, for not delivering a cornopean which had been left in his cab, to the police, within an hour according to the bye-laws. It appeared to have been left under a seat, and that the defendant was not aware of it. It was found by another man, who took it into the office, where it remained until enquired for. The defendant was liable to a penalty of 40s., but as there did not appear to be any intention of dishonesty, he was discharged on paying the summons."
(A cornopean is a type of cornet ;) )
Modified to add:
Just for interest - the partnership of Higson and Greenwood, postmasters of Bolton-le-Moors, was dissolved in July 1849.
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I meant to add yesterday also that Elizabeth GALE (dau of Joseph GALE, coachman) married William UDALL (painter) on 7 December 1873 at Holy Trinity, Bolton.
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and is this
Mary Jane Vickers Gale as Mary J Vickers on 1861 census with her father James Vickers
living 2 Naisby Court Little Bolton
James Vickers Head 42 Bolton twiner & Setter edit looks more like Turner & Fitter
Jane Vickers wife 32 Preston
Jonathan Vickers son 16 Bolton
Mary J Vickers dau 2 Bolton
Piece: 2823 Folio: 73 Page Number: 35
Are any of these likely birth registrations for Mary J. Vickers? In case she was legitimate daughter of James Vickers.
1857 mother's maiden name MORRIS, Westhoughton sub-district
1858 mmn. ENTWISTLE, Turton sub-district
1859 (Mary A.) mmn. ISHERWOOD, Little Bolton
1860 (Mary Ann) mmn. BOARDMAN, Little Hulton
(Lancashire BMD)
I couldn't see a birth registration for Jonathan but there were plenty of babies named John Vickers.
there's this one
VICKERS, JONATHAN mmn GELDERT
1844 D Quarter in BOLTON UNION Volume 21 Page 109
Possibly this is Jonathan on 1851 census
Piece: 2209 Folio: 103 Page Number: 32
James Vickers 32 occ Mechanic
Martha Vickers 32
Jonathon Vickers 6
Isabella Vickers 3 (possible death Bolton Dec 1851 age 4)
James Vickers 7 Mo
all born Bolton
VICKERS, ISABELLA mmn GELDERT
1848 M Quarter in BOLTON UNION Volume 21 Page 117
VICKERS, JAMES mmn GELDERT
1851 S Quarter in BOLTON UNION Volume 21 Page 137
and marriage James & Martha
James VICARS age 21 occ R ? maker father James , occ weaver
Marriage 3 Nov 1839 Farnworth with Kearsley, St John The Evangelist, Lancashire
Spouse: Martha GILDERT father Thomas
Martha made her mark (x) James signed
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and marriage James & Martha
James VICARS age 21 occ R ? maker father James , occ weaver
Marriage 3 Nov 1839 Farnworth with Kearsley, St John The Evangelist, Lancashire
Spouse: Martha GILDERT father Thomas
Martha made her mark (x) James signed
Transcription on LAN OPC:
James Vicars 21, bachelor, Rowler maker, abode Moses Gate
Martha Gildert, 21, spinster abode King St.
His occupation was roller maker in a Lancashire accent. I'd already noticed King St. for someone else in the Gale/Vickers extended family but can't remember who.
Baptism 26th Jan 1840 St. Peter, Bolton
Thomas Vickers son of James & Martha, abode Great Bolton, occupation mechanic
Burial 29th Nov. 1840 St. Peter, Bolton, Thomas Vickers son of James, aged 11 months abode Little Bolton
Baptism 13th Feb. 1842 St. Peter Bolton
John Vickers son of James & Martha, abode Little Bolton, occupation roller maker
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Birth registrations of 2 elder sons of James & Martha Vickers.
1839 VICKERS Thomas, mother's maiden name GUELDART Eastern Bolton
1841 VICARS John, mmn. GELDERT Little Bolton
Death registrations:
1840 Two registrations for Thomas Vickers age 0 in Eastern Bolton
John may have died 1843 aged 0.
James may have died 1855 aged 5.
1856 VICKERS Martha age 38 Little Bolton
If those death registrations for John and James were their children perhaps Jonathan was the only child who survived. :(
There don't seem to have been any more children born after James 1851.
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If Martha, James Vickers' wife died in 1856 here are possible 2nd marriages for James with a wife called Jane.
1857 Jane COURT Bolton Christ Church*
1860 Jane TRAVIS Bury Registry office or registrar attended
1861 Jane WROE Bolton Emmanuel
(Lancashire BMD)
*Joseph Gale and Mary Cort also married at Christ Church. Marriage register not on LAN-OPC.
Were Jane COURT and Mary CORT related?
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Mary Jane Vickers Gale as Mary J Vickers on 1861 census with her father James Vickers
living 2 Naisby Court Little Bolton
James Vickers Head 42 Bolton twiner & setter
Jane Vickers wife 32 Preston
Jonathan Vickers son 16 Bolton
Mary J Vickers dau 2 Bolton
Piece: 2823 Folio: 73 Page Number: 35
This might be Jane's baptism, assuming that her maiden name was COURT which is so far unproven.
22nd August 1828 St John, Preston
Jane COURT child of John & Margaret
Abode Turkshead Yard; occupation labourer
Her siblings:
Henry 1823; Mary 1825; Ellen 1832. All baptised at St. John's church. Abode for all was Turk's Head Yard or Turk's Head Court. Father's occupation changes; 1823 housekeeper, 1825 coachman, 1832 warehouseman.
1833 burial of Margaret aged 40, abode Turk's Head Yard.
1836 burial St. John, Preston, John Courte age 46
Marriages:
1845 St. John, Preston
Wiliam Crook, abode Bolton
Agnes Court age 27
Bride's father late John Court, warehouseman
1846 St. Mary, Lancaster
Henry Court
Elizabeth Lishman
Groom's father John Court, warehouseman
If this is correct family, Mary and Jane were orphaned as children. They may have moved to Bolton with Agnes when she married.
Btw Turk's Head Yard was already known to me through researching my Preston ancestors. A 3xGGF was lodging in the next yard but one on the night of 1851 census. Both were unsavoury places in more than one sense of the word. The Turk's Head got a few mentions in "Preston Chronicle". There's a website about old Preston pubs.
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[quote author=Maiden Stone link=topic=826122.msg6900356#msg6900356 date=1582765
Marriages:
1845 St. John, Preston
Wiliam Crook, abode Bolton
Agnes Court age 27
Bride's father late John Court, warehouseman
1846 St. Mary, Lancaster
Henry Court
Elizabeth Lishman
Groom's father John Court, warehouseman
If this is correct family, Mary and Jane were orphaned as children. They may have moved to Bolton with Agnes when she married.
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Following Agnes & William Crook to Bolton. They had children there.
Baptism 4th Oct. 1846 St. Peter & Paul, Bolton
William CROOK son of William & Agnes (COURT)
born 17th Sept.
Burial 29th March 1863 Tonge Cemetery, Bolton
James CROOK age 20 months. Son of William & Agnes
Died at Bark St. Parish removed from: Little Bolton
Henry Court and wife Elizabeth also moved to Bolton. Daughter Margaret aged 2 buried 24th May 1854 St. Peter, Bolton. Coincidently another Margaret Court, aged 1, daughter of a Jane Court was buried 31st May. Birth regs 1852 & 1853 Little Bolton sub-district.
In case original poster thinks I'm off on a tangent, I'm trying to establish links between Mary Gale/Court and Jane Court.
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P.S. to previous post. Another child of Henry Court.
Baptism 1855 St. Peter, Bolton
John Court son of Henry & Elizabeth; abode Great Bolton; occupation baker
(Henry was a baker when he married in Lancaster)
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If Martha, James Vickers' wife died in 1856 here are possible 2nd marriages for James with a wife called Jane.
1857 Jane COURT Bolton Christ Church*
1860 Jane TRAVIS Bury Registry office or registrar attended
1861 Jane WROE Bolton Emmanuel
(Lancashire BMD)
*Joseph Gale and Mary Cort also married at Christ Church. Marriage register not on LAN-OPC.
Were Jane COURT and Mary CORT related?
for info.
FreeBMD 1857 marriage entry has
Jane Court's christian name as James
and
James surname as Vicars
Jun 1857 Bolton 8c 226
Birchall Alice
Court James
Pilkington John
Vicars James