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Title: Mohamed 6 brown street glasgow
Post by: Dukesmum on Sunday 16 February 20 22:56 GMT (UK)
I am trying to trace any Mohamed that stayed at 6 brown street in Glasgow in 1922. I have found records that Nathoo Mohamed stayed at the address and handed it over to his brothers in 1924. However I know that seamen perhaps stayed in the address previously to this. Does anyone know how I may trace them? I am looking for Golam Mohamed
Title: Re: Mohamed 6 brown street glasgow
Post by: scotmum on Sunday 16 February 20 23:59 GMT (UK)
1925 Valuation rolls has a Mathoo Mahomed as tenant of number 6. Not seeing anyone of either spelling of surname there in 1920 or 1915 Valuation rolls.
Title: Re: Mohamed 6 brown street glasgow
Post by: scotmum on Monday 17 February 20 00:08 GMT (UK)
Quote
An Indian named Nathoo Mahomed was fined £ 2 by Sheriff ' Macdiarmid in Glasgow  Sheriff Court yesterday , for having been in possession of a revolver
October 16, 1925 - The Scotsman - Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

Possibly linked.
Title: Re: Mohamed 6 brown street glasgow
Post by: scotmum on Monday 17 February 20 00:13 GMT (UK)
Natthoo Mahomed listed as tenant in 1930.

A Gulam Mahomed appears to be tenant in 1935.

A death for checking:

Mahomed
Goolam Hoosein
28
1921
644/5 54
Garngadhill
Title: Re: Mohamed 6 brown street glasgow
Post by: Dukesmum on Monday 17 February 20 00:49 GMT (UK)
I’m not sure if he was maybe a seaman that was gone again by then. It’s my great grandad and I have never been able to trace him. He married my great grandmother Lucy McCavisten in 1921, their daughter Essie Mohamed was born in 1922 and the address listed on her birth certificate is 6 brown street. They then had my grandmother in 1925. Then I can find no trace of him at all :(
Title: Re: Mohamed 6 brown street glasgow
Post by: Forfarian on Monday 17 February 20 08:45 GMT (UK)
Lucy McAveston and Golam Mohamed were married in Greenock in 1921. If you compare the parents listed on that marriage certificate with the parents listed on the death certificate mentioned above you will know whether or not he is the same one.

Patrick Burke married Lucy McCavisten or Clark or Mohamed in Glasgow in 1957. That marriage certificate should tell you whether Lucy was widowed or divorced. Also, perhaps, where the Clark came from.

Lucy McCavisten or Mohamed or Burke died in Glasgow in 1962 aged 67.
Title: Re: Mohamed 6 brown street glasgow
Post by: Dukesmum on Monday 17 February 20 08:56 GMT (UK)
Thank you for your reply.

It can't be the same one listed above as he died in 1921. My great-grandfather went on to have my grandmother in 1925.

Unfortunately Lucy's marriage to Andrew Clarke doesn't seem to have been legitimate. She is listed on his death certificate and at the point of marrying Patrick Burke is listed as Clark also however there is no official record of this marriage. However I will order the certificate for her marriage to Patrick and see what that says.

Thank you for your help.

Kind regards

Connie
Title: Re: Mohamed 6 brown street glasgow
Post by: scotmum on Monday 17 February 20 10:32 GMT (UK)
Five other deaths of similar surname/forename combination in Scotland between 1937 and 1944.

Use M*h*m*d and G*l*m, to capture the spelling variations, albeit a number of others after 1944 too.
Title: Re: Mohamed 6 brown street glasgow
Post by: MonicaL on Monday 17 February 20 14:36 GMT (UK)
I’m not sure if he was maybe a seaman that was gone again by then.

What was his occupation on the 1921 marriage and birth certs in 1922 and 1925. What did his daughters say about him on their marriage certs?

Monica
Title: Re: Mohamed 6 brown street glasgow
Post by: MonicaL on Monday 17 February 20 14:41 GMT (UK)
Regarding marriages for Lucy. Maybe Golam was still alive and they were not divorced when she got together with Andrew Clark? Similarly, maybe he had died by the time she was able to marry Patrick Burke in 1957?

You might get clues on on this from his daughters' marriage certs (if they reported father alive or deceased, apart from his occupation).

Monica
Title: Re: Mohamed 6 brown street glasgow
Post by: Dukesmum on Monday 17 February 20 17:33 GMT (UK)
Unfortunately none of his daughters ever knew him. My gran was left with another family when she was a baby. I've been able to trace their mother but not their father, Golam. So on the marriage certs it only lists parents, no other information.
Listed on the marriage certificate in 1921 is says factory labourer, Widow, then on the birth certificate in 1922 it says what I think is Marine Foreman, but it could be machine foreman!
I believe when Lucy "married" Andrew, Andrew was also still married so no clues there either. I'm genuinely stuck. I feel I have looked every where I can and can't find any information on him.
Title: Re: Mohamed 6 brown street glasgow
Post by: Dukesmum on Monday 17 February 20 17:47 GMT (UK)
I’ve just checked again and it says marine fireman. Not foreman
Title: Re: Mohamed 6 brown street glasgow
Post by: Forfarian on Monday 17 February 20 17:54 GMT (UK)
So you have looked at that 1921 marriage certificate. So who were Gulam Mohamed's parents and how old was he?
Title: Re: Mohamed 6 brown street glasgow
Post by: Dukesmum on Monday 17 February 20 18:09 GMT (UK)
tried to attached a picture but unfortunately it won’t upload. He is 31 on his marriage certificate and listed as a widow. His father is boota Mohamed and no first name listed for mother but her maiden names looks like it might be shappi, she is listed as deceased.
Title: Re: Mohamed 6 brown street glasgow
Post by: MonicaL on Monday 17 February 20 21:05 GMT (UK)
Connie, I found a tree on A/try (maybe yours?) which included the 1921 marriage cert. Just adding below to help. The marriage was RC:

Title: Re: Mohamed 6 brown street glasgow
Post by: brigidmac on Thursday 20 February 20 08:05 GMT (UK)
I've just come across a case where babies were registered to a widow 1881 + 1883 her husband's name  was cited tho record said he.d been deceased since 1878

Maybe if the second child was born to a common law marriage Mohamed was listed as birth name because that is who she was legally
# you have to see the original birth certificate s not just the record
Essie and your grandmother could be half sisters

Title: Re: Mohamed 6 brown street glasgow
Post by: brigidmac on Thursday 20 February 20 08:17 GMT (UK)
You could do DNA to see if Andrew Clark was the birth father of your grandmother
What was the name of the family she was left with  ... sometimes there is a family link for informal adoptions
Title: Re: Mohamed 6 brown street glasgow
Post by: Forfarian on Thursday 20 February 20 08:46 GMT (UK)
I've just come across a case where babies were registered to a widow 1881 + 1883 her husband's name  was cited tho record said he.d been deceased since 1878.
That is standard practice.

A widow's illegitimate child's birth is registered in the name of the deceased husband, and the child is listed in the birth indexes under both its mother's maiden name and the name of her deceased husband.

Title: Re: 6 brown street glasgow
Post by: Weejojo on Friday 21 February 20 23:06 GMT (UK)
Hello there,
My great grandmother Rose Quinn who was a widow, maiden name Trayner from Strabane in Northern Ireland.  She was living at 6 Brown Street when she had my grandfather in Oct 1921 James Quinn.  Have you came across any documents with her name on it by chance.  Hope you don't mind me asking.  Kind Regards.