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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wexford => Topic started by: rattler on Tuesday 04 February 20 13:30 GMT (UK)
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Hi. Once again I am on the ‘find my Walsh family’ trail. My grandfather’s brother William died 1st quarter 1905. I did send for the record but thought it was wrong one as he lived in Castlehill Street and record said The Swan so I thought I had wrong Walsh. I am hoping someone has access to death records and I can perhaps find burial record once I have correct date of death. Perhaps Williams burial place will lead me to my gt.grand parents records. Here’s hoping, Anne.
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This is the one you refer to - did he have a sister in law, Katie and was he a sailor?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1905/05600/4574427.pdf
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The 2nd one's father was Sailor....
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http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/Wexford_Urban_No__2/Castlehill_Street/1807497/
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If you think the one whose father was a Sailor...you have mother's mame so you can then look for Parent's Marriage and then see who was his father and Wm's g/father on
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
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Then search for them on 1901 census, plus Death reg of g/father etc..see who registered that, maybe his wife, the g/mother
Then look in Church Reg for marriage of g/parents.
All for Free.
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http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
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Dec 1902 William sailed on the Helen&Ernest the Ships master was John Walsh of Swan View
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/cl/details.jsp?id=IRE/CREWLISTS/00667477
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Hi Anne,
Good to hear from you again! As regards William Walsh, I thought we had already addressed some of your questions, at least in part, three years ago. I posted some photographs showing the area at the top (southern end) of Castlehill St., the Swan, and Swan View.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=482775.msg6137541#msg6137541 (https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=482775.msg6137541#msg6137541)
Basically, Castlehill St. runs into the area known as the Swan, so there isn't necessarily a contradiction between one document saying Castlehill, and another Swan View. Very close in any case.
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Hi, sorry but brain is getting a bit puddled these days. I couldn’t remember who gave the photos and information on the house in census. I think what made me think the death certificate I had sent for was wrong because of informants name, Kate Walsh. Finally remembered Williams brother Jim married a Mary Anne Walsh from Paradise Row so Kate must have been her sister. Just hope William is in same plot as his parents and that way I get mor info on them. Determined to sort out my Walsh lot before brain stops working altogether. Thanks again for your help, Anne.
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Hi, sorry but brain is getting a bit puddled these days. I couldn’t remember who gave the photos and information on the house in census. I think what made me think the death certificate I had sent for was wrong because of informants name, Kate Walsh. Finally remembered Williams brother Jim married a Mary Anne Walsh from Paradise Row so Kate must have been her sister. Just hope William is in same plot as his parents and that way I get more info on them. Determined to sort out my Walsh lot before brain stops working altogether. Thanks again for your help, Anne.
Ah yes, our connection. Mary (Anne) Walsh was my great-aunt.
As for where William Walsh may be buried, I think there are three leading possibilities, one good, two bad (in terms of records).
- The good one is the municipal cemetery, in Crosstown (St. Ibar's). Full records available from the council.
- The bad ones are two ancient cemeteries, to the south of Wexford town. Drinagh, and a second one whose name escapes me at present (Maudlintown area). Many people from the south, Faythe end of town were buried in these two old graveyards. There are no records at all for these. One of my Walsh great-grandfather's brothers, and his family, are buried in Drinagh.
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Thank you to all for help given. I give up every so often when I hit too many snags but then someone drops a line and away I go again. Will have a good search over the coming week. Thanks again, Anne
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Hi Rattler
There was a question asked earlier in this thread as to where William Walsh (age 19) was buried when he died in 1905. The answer is Crosstown Cemetery. John Walsh 'managed' the internment so this will either have been his Father, or his elder Brother prior to marrying in Dublin the following year. (Note the Grave reference number which I will elaborate on in the next post)
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William wasn't the first member of the Walsh family to be buried in Grave L116. In 1900 Mary Anne Walsh had died and was the first person interred here. As William was then buried in the same grave its highly likely it's his elder sister.
Her last place of residence was Michael St but it appears she was whisked off to the Workhouse where she died. The age stated in the Civil Register and the burial register is 20 although it would appear she was born in 1877 making her 23 on death!
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/03007/2102229.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1900/05751/4624319.pdf
John Walsh 'managed the Internment' so as her Brother was only 18 at the time it is likely to have been her Father.
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Thank you, that information on Mary Anne has answered another question. Neither of the sisters is shown on 1901 census so I assumed they had married. I have just about given up with the Walsh family when someone sends me a glimmer of hope and I am off again. Thank you so much.
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Hi Rattler
Further to the post above here is the Internment record for the Plot. It was purchased by John Walsh, more than likely in 1900 on the death of his daughter, Mary Anne. He was living in Lambert Place at that time, the road between King St & Castle Hill St.
You will note that the third person buried in this plot was Mary Walsh on 1st April 1910. Dovetailing this with the Civil Register she was aged 59 on her death in King Street on 30th March.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1910/05426/4516787.pdf
She was stated as being "married" rather than a "widow" implying John Walsh was still living at this point.
PS - You mention another "Sister" - There was a Bridget Walsh born in 1880 but she died after 38 days:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1880/06474/4862551.pdf
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Hi Rattler
Further to the post above here is the Internment record for the Plot. It was purchased by John Walsh, more than likely in 1900 on the death of his daughter, Mary Anne. He was living in Lambert Place at that time, the road between King St & Castle Hill St.
Great stuff.
Can I ask - where are these records held these days?
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Hi Wexflyer
The Lady at Wexford BC stated they hold the Registers of Internments only - they don't hold the old Burial Registers, so my understanding is that they have been deposited with the Wexford County Archive at Ardcavan. There was a note on theit website a while back stating they were going to include the Crosstown Burial Register alongside the existing registers for the Wexford Town Municiple registers, but it hasn't happened to date.
The earliest Crosstown burial register 1892 - 1907 (Ref: WBC/CEM/6/1) was available as a PDF doc which I downloaded from a website at the time but I'm unsure if it's still available. (It should ideally be on the Archives website.)
I'm not sure what years the next Register covers but I believe the Register which includes 1916 was fire damaged. Years ago, I visited the old WBC offices in Hill St & tried to get a copy of an entry in the year 1916 but was told it was too fragile to photo-copy and they could only provide a transcription. (a copy of the Register of Internments for that year was available).
Ps - You posted a great copy of the grave numbers in Section Q of the cemetery; would you happen to have a copy of the other old Catholic section, Section L? I would like to see if there's a Headstone or a marker for the Walsh grave for Rattler.
Cheers
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Ps - You posted a great copy of the grave numbers in Section Q of the cemetery; would you happen to have a copy of the other old Catholic section, Section L? I would like to see if there's a Headstone or a marker for the Walsh grave for Rattler.
Cheers
It is a holiday weekend here, so will have to wait until I get home before I can check my files.
Of course I got my copy of the overall layout and a few of the section maps from the Wexford town council department responsible for the graveyards, St. Ibar's primarily. If you are still residing somewhat locally you should be able to get copies from them. I don't have a full set, in fact very few sections, so I can't say off hand if I have Section L or not.
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Hello you are great people with all the help you have given me on this one. Whenever I visited Wexford, I would go to the Harpur grave which is L 207. I brought dads ashes over some years ago and that’s were I hope to finish whenever the big man is ready for me. With the new information I at least know where to look or get my family to look for me on their visits as I can no longer travel myself.. Thanks again, Anne