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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: buckyb on Tuesday 04 February 20 05:44 GMT (UK)
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Hi All
I have been trying to establish, without much luck, when Lt Col James Morisset purchased Winburndale Brook near Bathurst c1835-1838. Can anyone help?
Many Thanks
Rod ???
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Auction, 17 September 1834, 3rd last column:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article12850307
Jamjar
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Great find Jamjar
1834: It appears that the existing stock (1400 head) are to be sold by auction
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1834 - 1841: The property, Winburndale, to be rented
1841 : I think it says that the property to be sold at the end of the 7 year lease.
Confirmation of that may be in R C Pritchett's will (1834)
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The Australian Dictionary of biography has a section about him and gives this information re his purchase of land:
In August 1831 Morisset asked for a civil position in the colony, but no office was available. Early in 1834 he sold his commission in the army, declared his intention to resign and settle in New South Wales, and again sought appointment to any available civil office. Because of a violent nervous disorder he was given a year's leave in Sydney on half-pay.
When his leave expired he resigned his post and bought a farm at Winburndale Brook near Bathurst. There in May 1838 he was appointed police magistrate at a salary of £300, and in January 1841 commissioner of the Court of Requests.
http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/morisset-james-thomas-2482
Can't yet find any formal mention of this sale, however I'm sure others may be able to help. The auction as mentioned much in 1834 in TROVE states that the property is the residence of John BROWN esq, however John Browm may not be the actual owner as the original auction is for letting of the property.
Judith
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Interesting read Judb
The Trove article does seem to say that the property will be rented for 7 years (1834-1841) which means that Morisset didn't actually own it.
Did Richard Pritchett own it?
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Many thanks for the inputs. I didn't think to search for the property on Trove. Thanks Jamar.
Lady Di the lease of the property is interesting, I wonder if the sale of Sept 1834 fell through.
As pointed out by Judith, Morisset was on sick leave from the Army in Sydney, evidently he then purchased the property and moved to Bathurst.
My reason for the inquiry is that I have been trying to establish the movements of William Armstrong a convict arriving in 1835 on the ship "Hero'. He was firstly assigned to William Darke, Surveyor and then to James Morissett, it is the changeover from Darke to Morisset that interests me.
Once again thank you all for your help.
Rod
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Background info https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=812090.0 :D
JM
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NSW State Archives has Col. James Thomas MORISSET letters 1828-1838 on their Reel no. 1165 as per index : Colonial Secretary's Letters relating to Land 1826-56. Perhaps there's more details there.
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/colonial-secretarys-letters-relating-land
JM
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Have you contacted the Bathurst family history group? https://www.bathurstfhg.asn.au/
The index to their Pioneer CD has entries for the surnames ARMSTRONG, DRAKE, and MORISSET. :)
https://www.bathurstfhg.asn.au/bathurst-pioneers/index-of-surnames/
Great find by Jamjar :D :D :D
JM
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Thanks majm and all others.
I have found a classified entry on Trove for the re lease of the Winburndale property on 14 October 1841, https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/2554704 (5th column)
this is 7 years after the original entry and coincides with the original lease term of 7 years.
Perhaps there a are several properties in the area, one being Winburndale another Winburndale Brook.
I have also checked the historical records online of the NSW Land registry but had no luck in finding the property.
I will leave this query open as someone may eventually come up with some answers.
Thanks
Rod
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Yes, the 'new' iteration of what was the Land Titles Office has been a huge disappointment to many family historians. It is now in the hands of private enterprise, a for profit venture.
I am convinced there's many a digitised parish/county map that has become lost in the handover, particularly those from prior to the 1860s and the Robertson Land Acts etc NSW 'Freehold' title introduced in about 1858 I think, but the Surveyors Office had existed with teams of Draftsmen (free and assigned) since at least John Oxley and of course after his death in around 1828, Thomas Livingstone Mitchell... The first Surveyor General of NSW came with the First Fleet in 1788.
Bathurst District maps ... the website currently does not seem to have any from earlier than 1885 for the (civil) parishes of Duramana or Peel or Winburn in the County of Roxburgh ... and I am quite sure that Winburndale Rivulet is in Peel and Winburn ... And that it was named by Lachlan Macquarie back in 1816... - as per NSW Geographical Names Board here: https://proposals.gnb.nsw.gov.au/public/geonames/ea957a28-e523-40e1-83b8-9b2d6808df61
And they have GDA latitude and longitude for the locality of Winburndale, on their 1:25000 Map ... Parish as Eskdale, in Roxburgh County. https://proposals.gnb.nsw.gov.au/public/geonames/75eb8caa-d84b-4ccd-9cd6-c81cc4bb0863
https://www.gnb.nsw.gov.au/
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/county-parish-maps-guide
From the 'new' website for the NSW Land Registry Services ( ::) ::) ::) a com.au site) https://hlrv.nswlrs.com.au/ they advise that we should experience :
"A smoother journey through history: New Historical Land Records Viewer launches
Explorers of New South Wales history will enjoy a smoother journey thanks to the newly enhanced and expanded Historical Land Records Viewer (HLRV), which launched on 25 June 2019.
HLRV is the New South Wales Land Registry Services online application to view digitised historical maps, plans, titles and indexes. It contains more than 6 million digital records from 62 collections.
Users can access HLRV online via the Online Portal or at: https://hlrv.nswlrs.com.au "
JM
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It is my understanding that Winburndale was more than just one property. To me, it refers to a locality, various farms, perhaps a small village with a glebe, or a common … not just to one farm. One branch of my NSW families are reflected in my avatar, and the Hawkesbury district family also farmed across the mountains in the Bathurst District with many mentions of Winburn Dale in the family papers from as early as 1819 through to the mid 1860s …
So, I am fairly sure there’s plenty of sightings of Winburndale farm that should help you work towards pinpointing Morrisset’s farm … to be found in Trove, perhaps in the Gov Gazette section rather than the Newspapers … but definitely for land grants with or without purchase (so grants given in the 1820s without the Crown receiving any financial reward are ‘without purchase’,) even though it seems almost impossible to access the online maps from lps for the 1820s and 1830s.
To me, that great find by Jamjar giving the description of the buildings etc is pointing to it being one of Samuel TERRY’s properties, so I have concentrated on that aspect and note that back in 1826 Samuel TERRY’s steel mill was nicked from his property (station) at Winburndale… Steel mill = milling wheat into flour ! :) see the Supreme Court mentioned here Sydney Gaz 13 Feb 1828 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/2189907 and of course :
http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/terry-samuel-2721
Also, I am including my partial transcription - 1827 for George Thomas PALMER’s land as it may well be helpful to your quest, particularly if you were to compare with various versions of the 1828 NSW census for that district.
My transcription of part of a digitised image re NSW land grants Reg Gen’s Deeds Rego Memorials 1826-1831.
Image 311 of 691.
Twenty Seventh and Twenty eighth days of August 1827
Thomas Fitzherbert HAWKINS Esq of Bathurst (NSW etc)
TO
George Thomas PALMER Esq of Parramatta (etc)
All of that piece or parcel of Land containing 2000 acres situate lying XXXX (could be o?ed) being in the County of Roxborough and Township No. 4 bounded on the West side by a line north 232 Chains, bounding Sections 1, 2, 3 and 24 chains of Section 4; on the North side by the Government reserve being East 80 chains to the western boundary of Township No. 2; on the East side by that boundary – bearing South 236 chains and South 55 degrees; West 66 chains to Macquarie River and on the South side by that river …..
And some observations from Trove newspapers
Colonel Morrisset has become the purchaser of a noble farm on the Winburndale Rivulet, from Mr George Palmer, where he purposes retiring as soon as the buildings now projected shall be completed. https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/2198476 Sydney Gaz 4 June 1835
And so, back in December 1829, George Palmer had a superintendent, Mr J LIVINGSTONE in charge at Winburn Dale, Bathurst Plains … https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/32072960 ? Sydney Monitor 26 Dec 1829.
As an aside, The Registrar General position mentioned is actually part of the history of the NSW BDM and of the NSW Land Titles office. It starts as a senior Admin position with the first NSW Supreme Court ... that Court's Registrar. He certified baptismal, burial, marriage records and of course these were 'deeds' so he kept a record of what he certified ... land deeds, debt deeds, bdm deeds etc. So the Early Church Records that NSW BDM has (the 'V' series on the registration nos.) initially were deeds of the Registrar General of the Supreme Court and when NSW BDM was established (1856) it was under the Registrar General of the NSW Land Titles Office. It was still under that in the 1970s :) when if you wanted to look up BDMs you walked DOWNstairs at the NSW Land titles office. ;D (and you took your own feather duster or else !)
JM
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The 1980 New South Wales Electoral Roll polling at Turon, has entries for several surnames with the following addresses :
Winburndale, Peel.
I will send you a PM :)
JM