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Hi
Looking for the immediate family of the above Joseph Graham. I located b for Joseph from a web site, Ros Davies. She has his father as Thomas and mother as Margaret Dunn, m ? 23 Jan 1797 Boardmills Presbyterian Killaney. And lists children, James b 1797, Betty Anne b 1798, Jean b 1800, presumably died, then Jean b 1802, Thomas b 1805, Joseph b 1807, Robert b 1809.
My DNA relates to Robert and I have quite a lot of information on him, plus Obit which states his parents as being Joseph and Mary as above. I also have death notice for Joseph d 5 July 1880, 73 years, At his residence Boardmills, Co Antrim. Burial to be 2nd Boardmills Burial Ground. Pretty sure he was a farmer.
My great grandmother was Rachel Graham and hopefully I can connect her to Joseph and Mary. Her marriage certificate to Walter Chisholm in 1863, Wedderburn, Victoria Australia, says she was 19 years of age with parents Joseph Graham and Mary Gray. Ireland as birthplace.
I have tracked her incoming to Victoria, age 18, nurse born Belfast Ireland.
Have lots of information on Walter and Rachel in Australia and NZ where she died, 1921 Avondale, Auckland.
Rachel's date of death varies a LOT. Death notice placed by only child, James Henry Robert Chisholm says she was 76yrs old. And the final ? is her headstone, clearly engraved with her being 88 years at death. Rachel and Walter were devoted Methodists and I just cannot imagine the headstone being wrong.
Any solution to Rachel's birth and siblings and confirmation that I have her correct parents would save me from further headaches.
Many thanks
Penny
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Death Reg Cert attached but address doesn't match...
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Thank you Hallmark.
I didn't want to send a screenshot I took of the original death notice for Joseph was concerned about file size.
This came from Ancestry. This could tie in with the death you sent for 1880.
I just checked online and there is a Boardmills, Lisburn if that helps.
Many thanks.
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View Belfast, Northern Ireland, The Belfast Newsletter (Birth, Marriage and Death Notices), 1738-1925
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Name: Joseph Graham
Gender: Male
Death Age: 73
Notice Type: Death
Birth Date: abt 1807
Residence Place: Boardmills
Death Date: 5 Jul 1880
Death Place: Boardmills
Publication Date: 4 Nov 1878
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He died in the townland of Ballycarngannon, Drumbo Civil Parish.
https://www.townlands.ie/down/castlereagh-upper/drumbo/ballycarngannon/
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Edited to add: https://tinyurl.com/qmqtq85
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Civil Reg Death results for Mary Graham from 1864 to 1880
Reg Area - Lisburn
LINK http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ozg/
but many still have Returns Page No on them, so Images not online yet!
Check every few months via Link to see if any have been updated!
One needs to complete Captcha and use Initials to sign in, Certs are Free, Irish Govt BDM Website, safe to use, no sub or reg needed!
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One could try a Search likes this on the Irish Govt Website
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
and look for siblings marrying.
One can Right-Click on 4 or 5 names, Open in New Tab and check them.
Then repeat for next 4 or 5.....
Change Search Criteria as needed for Deaths etc.... or Surnames
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line explains years etc... cut off date 1922 for Northern Ireland.
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Thanks again Hallmark and Kiltaglasson for your help.
I am totally on foreign ground with the quirks of Irish research and geography.
I now understand the true area where he died and the newspaper death notice really didn't help me much, not being a native. This has put a whole new slant on things.
Thank you.
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You are Welcome.
I had same problem in Oz, NZ etc...having a record but not knowing where to even start looking.
Once I knew I had great enjoyment chasing them!
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Ballycarngannon
1901 census http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ozi/
1911 http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ozj/
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Forgot to say the 1911 census shows Years Married, No of children and No of Children living once one clicks on Show all Information box.
Allow discrepancies in ages when looking for Births of Children, Births show Mother's maiden name which one needs to look at to ensure Siblings.
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Thanks Hallmark
I'm still reeling from actually knowing where my Graham's had lived in Ireland. Ballycarngannon.
Will certainly check out who was still living there in 1901/1910 census' that you sent.
Thank you
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Rachel's date of death varies a LOT. Death notice placed by only child, James Henry Robert Chisholm says she was 76yrs old. And the final ? is her headstone, clearly engraved with her being 88 years at death. Rachel and Walter were devoted Methodists and I just cannot imagine the headstone being wrong.
I think you mean either date of birth or age at death?
Being ‘devout Methodists’ has absolutely nothing to do with correct date on a headstone. Often they weren’t erected until a later date when memories were less clear.
I'm not sure how you go from the Graham family in Killaney townland to this Joseph Graham in Ballycarngannon. As you'll see from Ros Davies' site alone there are LOTS of Grahams in Killaney and several named Joseph around the same period.
https://www.townlands.ie/down/castlereagh-upper/killaney/killaney/
History of Presbyterian churches in Boardmills-
http://lisburn.com/churches/Lisburn-churches/boardmills-trinity-presbyterian.html
Under Churches for Killaney Parish there are details of the churches including dates for registers-
http://rosdavies.com/PHOTOSwords/KillaneyAll.htm
Be aware that many Presbyterian families had burial plots in Church of Ireland graveyards so gravestones there should also be checked.
Would think that searching for baptisms & marriages in Boardmills might help prove or disprove connections.
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Thanks Aghadowey for your comments and information.
As stated earlier on this post, I am new to Irish records, geography and Counties.
Rachel had no date of birth on the headstone, just date of death and age. I have seen it.
And yes, dates can be troublesome. Walter, Rachel's husband was a lay preacher and well know in Avondale, Ak where they both died. Family legend was always that Rachel had not been truthful about her age. We can only imagine that family papers came to light after her death and hence the age on her headstone. I really doubt they would have left her headstone engraved with incorrect age.... but...
My initial information came from Ros Davies surname site where I found Joseph Graham b1807 as child of Thomas Graham and Margaret Dunn. Hallmark sent me the death details for Joseph and he died at Ballycarngannon, Drumbo, 5 July 1880 aged 73. I only had the death notice Belfast Newsletter and it said, died at his residence Boardmills.
Joseph had a brother Robert b 1809 (from Ros Davies) and he died Idaho 1893.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/68354951
This memorial links his parents to Thomas Graham and Margaret Dunn. My DNA links to Robert's family in USA.
It's nearly midnight down under and I need to sleep. The information I have may not be perfect but this is the first time I have had anything really concrete to start with in Ireland.
I will be investigating all information given to me today.
Thank you
Penny