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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: maltingo on Wednesday 29 January 20 20:04 GMT (UK)
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Is it possible to check say on a register lists of names of people whose names were changed by deed poll ?
Thanks
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No it is impossible simply because no one, repeat no one changed their name by deed poll. Deed poll like many other methods was/is only proof that a change of name has taken place.
The only way for an adult to change their name is to use their new name.
Having said that to search for an enrolled deed poll record from 1851-1903 search in series C 275 at the National Archives
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01oyu/
Cheers
Guy
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Enrolled Deed Poll records at TNA are available up to 2003. The index is in J18.
A guide to name changes is available - https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/changes-of-name/
As Guy says, a Deed Poll was only one way of recording a name change, which wasn't (and still isn't) legally necessary - many didn't use them, and of those that did only some were enrolled.
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A change is normally given formal publicity, e.g. by means of a statutory declaration, deed poll, or newspaper advertisement, but this is not legally necessary.
From 1914, all deeds poll enrolled in the Supreme Court had first to be advertised in the London Gazette.
Stan
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Thanks to all for your replies, I was thinking along the lines of deed poll because I had come across a birth registration for somebody in jfm quarter of a year, only to see the same person under ond of the same year.
I also saw a registration of somebody in ond of a year that bears the same reference/page No as somebody that has a different surname in ond of the same year.
How can this be possible and without applying for each certificate what other option is there to avoid costs.
Thanks
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Give us the names and details and we will see what we can see
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I also saw a registration of somebody in ond of a year that bears the same reference/page No as somebody that has a different surname in ond of the same year.
Depending on the year that you are referring to there can be around 10 birth registrations entered on the same page which would therefore have the same reference numbers
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Thanks Liz and Rosie.
I have taken my time replying and am mindful that I must not discuss somebody living so I am restricted as such.
If I use a deceased record so as not to be in breach of rules which has a similarity somewhat.
Carla d Christie Hatfield Herts was born in February, her record reads, JFM 1952 Hatfield, see 5/52.
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Carla d Christie Hatfield Herts JAS 1952 4B 76
Why the second entry ?
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Was the birth was registered before the parents were married, once they married they had to amend the information (not sure whether it is classed as re registration)
See earlier post
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=823459.
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AntonyMMM's reply may help with your query
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=822530.msg6858345#msg6858345
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Rosie
The parents were married jfm 1952 so you are possibly right they re-registered in JAS receiving a proper reference, 4B 76
Thanks for setting me on the right path.
regards
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If the birth was re-registered after the marriage, then there should be another registration earlier, probably only indexed under the mother's name (but maybe under father's as well).
The other possibility is a simple late registration.
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Antony, Thanks for your input.
There are two children in question.
First child born with a certain Surname, in 1950.
The mother then marries in amj 1952 to a person who the second child ( born in the February)relates to and has the fathers surname.
Both of these children are then re-registered in jas 1952, the first child's surname now reads the same as the second child.
This seems to me done to keep both children with the same surname, but how would you be able to have a child and then re-register him 2 years later under another surname ?
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Children don't have any surname at all on birth registrations until 1969, so what you are looking at in the indexes are the surnames of the parents (one or both depending on their marital status).
If you want to send me the details via PM I should be able to explain it for you.
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It sounds like a re-registration under the Legitimacy Act 1926.
The Act allowed children to be legitimised by the subsequent marriage of their parents, provided that neither parent had been married to a third party at the time of the birth. In those circumstances, the legitimised birth was re-entered in the birth indexes for that year (sometimes many years after the original birth). The original entry would be annotated to refer to the new entry.
The act was modified by the Legitimacy Act 1959, which extended it to children whose parent(s) had been married to somebody else when they were born.
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KGarrad, Well put, Thank you for the info.
regards
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I've replied to maltingo by PM - from the info they supplied to me this appears to be a combination of a re-registration (after marriage) and also a separate late registration, so quite a complicated one.
As always - you can't be certain of the details from index entries alone, and certificates would be required to know exactly.