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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: Sheri Kenney on Monday 27 January 20 00:56 GMT (UK)
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Hello,
I am looking for info on the Crothers family- my GGfather William John Crothers (1871 -1953) was aka "James Rea" on some docs. I can't seem to find the connection to Rea. They came from Ballymena area.
Thanks for any help!
Sheri Kenney
Windsor, Canada
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All Civil Reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for Crothers of Ballymena from ? to 1900
Birth 9
Death 4
Marriage 7
LINK http://www.rootschat.com/links/01oxv/
Is this his Reg in 1869?
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I think this may be it!
Thank you!
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You are welcome.
One needs to complete security Captcha and can use initials to sign in. Irish Govt BDM Website, Certs are Free
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Would he have been on 1901 Census?
LINK http://www.rootschat.com/links/01oxw/
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A possible older sibling
Annie Matilda 1866
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1866/03521/2295282.pdf
KG
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Hate to burst your bubble but the William Crothers born 1869 died in 1880-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03399/2246392.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1880/06480/4864319.pdf
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Someone else looking for same family in 2010- perhaps by now they've found more details-
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=478920.0
"They all originated in Northern Ireland and moved to Michigan."
More information on previous thread from 2009-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,400372.0.html
"Rea, James known as Crothers, William John, age 57 years 10 months, married, gardener, nationality - N. Ire., born Connor, N. Ireland, last permanent residence - Jordanstown, N. Ireland, nearest relative - daughter Mrs. Annie Allan, Barneys, Kells, Ballymena, N. Ire., …"
Are you the sherianne321 who replied on the 2010 thread, Sheri Kenny?
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Did you try a search like this on https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
There are 7 results registered anywhere.
LINK http://www.rootschat.com/links/01oxy/
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Tardree townland-
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/antrim-lower/connor/tardree/
The registration district & Poor Law Union is Antrim not Ballymena.
A large number of the 1800s birth registrations are for un-named (unknonw in index) children.
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Someone else looking for same family in 2010- perhaps by now they've found more details-
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=478920.0
"They all originated in Northern Ireland and moved to Michigan."
More information on previous thread from 2009-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,400372.0.html
"Rea, James known as Crothers, William John, age 57 years 10 months, married, gardener, nationality - N. Ire., born Connor, N. Ireland, last permanent residence - Jordanstown, N. Ireland, nearest relative - daughter Mrs. Annie Allan, Barneys, Kells, Ballymena, N. Ire., …"
Are you the sherianne321 who replied on the 2010 thread, Sheri Kenny?
Crikey!
Thank goodness I didn't waste much time looking through entries trying to find stuff that has already been found!
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Are these the right people?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1896/10486/5818714.pdf
Maggie Rea CROTHERS
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02164/1819853.pdf
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000253448/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001330963/
Debra :)
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So, as well as William John Crothers being aka James Rea, was Agnes Leech aka Agnes Curry/Currie?
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At risk of confusing matters further, but in view of the awol marriage for William and Agnes, could some kind soul let me have their thoughts on this one (and am I imagining that the Agnes in it seems to have middle name Leitch/Leech....especially on signature section):
WILLIAM CRAUTHERS
Party 2 Name AGNES ARMSTRONG
Date of Event 22 May 1896
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Connor/Maxwellswalls/916366/
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The link to the marriage is above. Agnes appears to be the illegitimate daughter of Elizabeth CURRIE/CURRY.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/03014/2104101.pdf
Debra :)
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The link to the marriage is above. Agnes appears to be the illegitimate daughter of Elizabeth CURRIE/CURRY.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/03014/2104101.pdf
Debra :)
Missed seeing your link. At least we seem agreed that this is the likely marriage. So, Armstrong, Leech/Leitch, Curry/Currie all surnames for Agnes at varying times. At least she stuck with Agnes as forename.
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SS Montroyal from Belfast 26 Apr. 1929 to Quebec 4 May 1929
Rea, James known as Crothers, William John, age 57 years 10 months, married, gardener, nationality - N. Ire., born Connor, N. Ireland,
This James REA fits the bill.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1871/03300/2209101.pdf
Debra :)
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SS Montroyal from Belfast 26 Apr. 1929 to Quebec 4 May 1929
Rea, James known as Crothers, William John, age 57 years 10 months, married, gardener, nationality - N. Ire., born Connor, N. Ireland,
This James REA fits the bill.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1871/03300/2209101.pdf
Debra :)
Yes, those details seem to already be on the other, older threads linked to earlier in this post.
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Thank you so much! :D :D
I finally have the answer as to the "Rea" name- being his mother's name (Margaret Rea) and he was born out of wedlock and given the name 'James'.(1871) This has been a question for many years!
So Margaret Rea eventually married James Crauthers and son 'James' took his surname to become Wm John Crauthers (Crothers) but also known as 'James Rea' for legal docs (as seen in Immigration Docs). I am assuming James Crothers was the child's biological father... I am continuing to look for marriage cert of Margaret and James to see if it was around the time of the child's birth.
Wife of Wm John 'James Rea' Crothers, Agnes also born out of wedlock and went by several different names: Currie/Curry (mother: Elizabeth Curry), Leech-Armstrong (don't know where the 'Leech' name comes from) as no father listed on birth record --was he the bio father perhaps?
(I am the same sherianne from a 2009 post). I hope I didn't cause undue searching. Wasn't sure what to include in my question. These links and replies have definitely given MUCH information that I did not have.
Also-thank you for the info on County Antrim and Ballymena etc. As I am in Canada, it's difficult to know if the places I'm seeing are in proximity and make sense to the search.