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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Lancashire => England => Lancashire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: oliebarton on Sunday 26 January 20 09:20 GMT (UK)
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Hi
If anybody is visiting Manchester Records Office please can they kindly check a birth certificate please.
Joseph Simmons 1906 Jan-Mar
Ashton Under Lyne
Vol 8d
Page 473
I presume that is all that is needed as never requested one before
Thanks
Olie
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Unfortunately birth certificates cannot be checked. The only way to get the information is to buy the certificate.
Have you checked 1911 census or looked for a baptism?
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https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro
Shows mother as Littleford.
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Thanks for the messages
My usual routes through sites I can find her birth date but not any first names of his parents.
Littleford will be correct. I can find him living with another set of grandparents on the 1911 census.
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Which grandparents is he with? Are they Simmons or Littleford or another name.
I can’t see Joseph except for a brief tree mention which has father as Thomas but no details.
Is that from his marriage certificate, I wonder.
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Hi thanks
Living with an Sophia Bowers as his gran in the 1911 census. She was married to a Edwin.
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Thanks.
I had looked at that family In 1901 but didn’t make the connection.
Presumably, Joseph is not the son of Eliza Pook?
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If I have the right family in 1911, the child Joseph is born 1910/11 with mmn Shanny
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Hi
Thanks for the reply.
No he was born 6th Dec 1905.
I’m actually posting this for a friend. He believes Joseph father was Thomas but never married. He doesn’t have a mother’s name but believes surname was Littleford.
I’m trying to establish the correct family and Joseph mother for him
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Here is 1911 - is this the one you mean?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW1L-PGG
Joseph Henry Simmons married Sarah Jane Shanny in 1901
Those 1911 names, Joseph snr and Joseph jnr match with this.
It looks as though your friend will have to get the birth certificate.
Thomas married Eliza Pook but they are living apart in 1901 and 1911.
There is a child Sidney born 1904 with mmn Pook.
Does your friend think Littleford is correct for the mother of his Joseph?
Does he have the marriage certificate for Joseph and Elizabeth Hough?
That would have father’s name.
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There is a Pook tree which has Eliza Pook married to James Thomas Simmons b 1871 (no verification).
There are several children born to this marriage.
The marriage just shows Thomas as a name.
Thomas William John Simmons and Joseph Henry Simmons have mmn Dubber.
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Joseph may be being raised by his grandmother, Elizabeth Littleford in 1911.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW1G-95G
The difficulty is that Fanny Littleford married William Davies and seems to with him in 1911 elsewhere.
However, you can see in that 1911 link, there is a daughter, Fanny.
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Yes saw this family whilst looking for Joseph. I’ll do a bit of digging with this one. Thanks
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It’s a pleasure.
I hope you can sort it but the birth certificate would be best.
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Yes saw this family whilst looking for Joseph. I’ll do a bit of digging with this one. Thanks
I think you may need a good spade to dig :)
Perhaps it is the wrong family but those two daughters in 1911 have the same first names as two Littleford daughters who married and seem to be in 1911 census with their respective spouses. :-\
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Did 'your' Joseph Simmons marry Elizabeth Hough in 1929? If so, his birth date is 6th December 1905 and so is the one registered in January 1906.
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Hi thanks for the reply.
Yes got this. It is the one.