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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Donegal => Topic started by: DoireM on Thursday 23 January 20 18:17 GMT (UK)
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My great, great, grandaunt Anne Bradley of Tromaty married c1862 a John Harley of Clunelly, in the Parish of Iskaheen, Co. Donegal. They had eight children, seven I have found the births for.
Elizabeth married John Crossan. Denis married Cecily Crossan, Mary Anne, William, John married Bridget Doherty, Hannah and Joseph.
If anyone is related to this family I would like to hear for you. Thank you.
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My great, great, grandaunt Anne Bradley of Tromaty married c1862 a John Harley of Clunelly, in the Parish of Iskaheen, Co. Donegal. They had eight children, seven I have found the births for.
Elizabeth married John Crossan. Denis married Cecily Crossan, Mary Anne, William, John married Bridget Doherty, Hannah and Joseph.
If anyone is related to this family I would like to hear for you. Thank you.
Party 1 Name DENIS HARLEY
Party 2 Name CECILY CROSSAN
Date of Event 02 January 1896
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1896/10478/5816270.pdf
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Party 1 Name JOHN CROSSAN
Party 2 Name ELIZABETH HARLEY
Date of Event 19 September 1895
SR District/Reg Area Londonderry
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1895/10535/5837166.pdf
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Thank you, I do have those marriages. Looking to connect with anyone who have these ancestors in their tree!
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Hi
I am related. John Harley and Anne Bradley are my great great grandparents.
I have been trying to find their marriage record with no success as seemingly no parish marriage records for the period for Moville Upper (Iskaheen) Really frustrating especially as Moville Lower have many more records for the period. I wonder why the NLI didn’t microfilm the marriage records for Iskaheen when they doing the baptismal records in the 50s.
The missing birth record is for Hugh born circa 1862.
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The NLI probably had difficulty filming them if they don't exist
https://www.johngrenham.com/records/rc_church.php?churchid=0370&parish=Iskaheen
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Hi Comlamoto,
As I said previously Ann Bradley is my grandfather's Aunt. She is the daughter of Edward Bradley and Ellen Friel.
The only records that exist in St. Patrick's Church, Iskaheen back in the 1850s are baptisms. From the 1911 census John and Anne married in 1862. So what child of John and Anne do you descend from?
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Hi DoireM
I am descended through Denis.
My badly phrased question on why there is no copy of the marriage register in the NLI is really about what happened the records. We’re they confirmed lost / destroyed when they undertook the microfilming in the 50s. Interestingly the Iskaheen NLI image is based on a copy made in 1925 on unheaded paper. Compare that to the Moville lower records which have formatted headings so presumably Derry Dioceses probably issued standard registers to be used by the parishes.
Re marriage date I suspect 1858. As head of household John states marriage lasted 47 years. Anne died in 1907 so suspect he was counting back from 1907 rather than 1911.
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Hi Comlamoto,
I have been to Iskaheen several times with different priests' asking the same question regarding B/M/D registers. I get different answers every time … to cut to it, they don't know. I definitely know that the baptismal register is far from accurate. The baptismal register was re-written by the Curate Fr. Bernard Smyth and I dare say no one proof read back then. So where the original registers went is a mystery! I personally have collected much data for the Parish down the years. Elizabeth is the eldest daughter of John and Anne, she is not in the baptismal register.
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Hi DoireM
Thank you for your very kind reply confirming that you have asked the local parish priest(s) about the missing records. It will save me asking the same questions. :)
Do you know the names of the brothers and sisters of Anne Bradley. I didn’t know that Anne’s parents were Edward and Ellen Friel. I had thought Anne might have had a brother called William but given you believe Anne’s father was Edward then the William I had identified cannot be correct.
Re Elizabeth Harley date of birth I believe based on census records she was in fact born in 1871.
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Anne's siblings (that I have to date) were Edward, Charles, William, Michael, Joseph, Jane, Anthony (my line) and John. They lived at Gortanny, Quigley's Point, Donegal.
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Hi DoireM
I have been looking at the records again for Anne Bradley and don’t believe she is related to the Bradley’s in Gortanny that you mentioned. Ellen Bradley died in Dec 1881 at the age of 60 so presumably born in 1821. Anne Bradley’s age is given as 66 in the 1901 census so born in 1835 so date wise looks improbable that Ellen Bradley was her mother. I believe Anne Bradley’s parents were Jeremiah and Hannah Bradley from Three Trees. Just wondering if you have some records that confirm your original supposition about who Anne’s parents were.
Kind regards
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Hi,
I take ages on census records and death certs with a pinch of salt. Eg; Anne Bradley Harley in the 1901 census is aged 66 .... she died in 1907 and her age is 55.
Also from the Iskaheen baptismal register several of Anne Bradley Harley's siblings are godparents to her children. So I know I am on the right track in my Bradley research.
Jeremiah Bradley and his wife Hannah lived in the townland Gortagore, Three Trees. Their grandson Joseph married my grandmother's 1st cousin.
Regards,
DoireM
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Hi
Thanks for the reply. Yes you are right age in census and death records are unreliable.
The reason I came back to this after a year was because I recently discovered a family recollection that the grandson Joseph you mention was related to my family on my fathers side. Also Mary Anne Harley is listed as a god parent on Joe’s birth record. Joe also had an uncle called Joseph who lived in Scotland before coming back to Ireland.
But it is difficult to figure out at this stage without those missing parish records.
Anyway thank you.
Kind Regards
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Iskaheen come under Upper Moville
Donegal resources
http://www.donegalgenealogy.com
John Harley born 1870 to Anne Bradley and John Harley sponsor William Bradley and Margaret McLaughlin
find my past
http://www.findmypast.co.uk
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Hi Comlamoto,
I have been looking over your replies to my Harley/Bradley question. I don't believe we are talking about the same Bradley family. Your line would be Jeremiah Bradley and Hannah ? Bradley of Gortagore, Three Trees. Their son Joseph Bradley born c1844 died 1913 (buried in Iskaheen with his parents) married in Longtower Church, Derry to Grace Kerrigan in 1897. His address on the marriage cert is Greenock. For whatever reason he came back to Donegal, died and his nephew Joseph Bradley (son of William, who married twice) registered the death in 1913. This nephew married my grandmother's 1st cousin Elizabeth Breslin of Three Trees in 1937. They had no family. So you would have no connection to the Harley/Bradley line.
DoireM