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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Durham => England => Durham Lookup Requests => Topic started by: jacqueline cox on Tuesday 21 January 20 17:32 GMT (UK)
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I can find GRO index for this marriage in South Shields, nothing on Findmypast Durham marriages, no family trees in Ancestry with more information. UKbmds seem to have no transcripts. Can anyone do better than me and find if it was a church/ chapel or Register Office marriage, and - even better - a transcription or image of the event?
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South Tyneside Registrars have a search facility https://www.southtyneside.gov.uk/article/34814/Search-historical-births-deaths-and-marriages-records
search for the marriage by entering the groom and the year 1914 which confirms the bride's name
and the church code is CR 2
Now click on the Marriage index tab and that shows that codes starting CR were at St Mary, Whitburn
( I am assuming that the '2' is the book number for that parish)
Boo
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PS
If you want a copy, and can't visit the archives then a cheaper option than a GRO cert would be to order a copy from the parish register via Durham Record Office Quick Search , cost is £5 and they will email a scan from the microfilm to you.
Boo
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Boo has beaten me to it. However, Sarah is recorded as Sarah E ASSELBROUGH, different spelling, a common recording fault.
taffie01
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And now, since I live in Cheshire, is there anyone going to Durham CRO in the near future who could very kindly do a look up for me? It is the groom's father's name I need. Brown - I ask you!
If no one is, it'll have to be £5 ....
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If you check the 1939 Register for Francis Brown with Sarah E. - that will give you his date of birth.
You can then look up his birth on the GRO and find mother's maiden name.
Look for a marriage of a Brown to someone with that maiden name BEFORE the birth of Francis.
That may help you find the family on the census records from 1891 to 1911 as you will have father, mother and Francis together (hopefully!)
You may even find the baptism of Francis as you are armed with his birth date.
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Unfortunately his mother Lapier was born in Halifax Nova Scotia and her first child was born there. I'm not sure about the marriage; work in progress....
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And now, since I live in Cheshire, is there anyone going to Durham CRO in the near future who could very kindly do a look up for me? It is the groom's father's name I need. Brown - I ask you!
If no one is, it'll have to be £5 ....
If I'd been able to look it up I'd have offered, but I too am a good distance away from the archives.
Someone may offer though.
Boo
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I'm only hoping for someone who'd be going anyway. I'm grateful for anything that people can do if they are heading that way!
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Name
Sarah Asselbrough
Event Type
Marriage
Event Place
Sunderland, Durham, England
Registration District
Sunderland
County
Durham
Registration Quarter
Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year
1914
Volume
10A
Page
1195
Affiliate Line Number
140
Spouse Name (available after 1911)
Gibson
Possible Spouse
Edward Gibson
So close together but no relation?
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I owe you an explanation for my query. Some couple of years ago, my mother's DNA test threw up unmistakable evidence of a NEP event. I had literally dozens of Cunningham matches in Ancestry and a couple in Gedmatch with no Cunninghams in my tree. My c19th tree is firmly backed with evidence so one of my ancestors was "not their father's child". The Cuckoo parent was Cunningham of South Shields and Deptford. Both localities were in my existing tree so the common person was apparently James Fairweather Cunningham from SS who spent some 10 years in the naval dockyards in the Deptford area or possibly his father John who stayed put in SS. As a result, I retested with MyHeritage (so now FTdna, Ancestry, Livingdna, MyH, all also in Gedmatch)
Recently I got yet another closeish match - 112 cM - in MyH, but the inactive person concerned had only 5 names and a couple of dates in their abbreviated tree. If names are sufficiently distinctive, I am experienced enough to be able to create their trees pretty accurately especially if it is not too many generations. In this case Thomas Sidney Hodgson (mother Parker) born in 1916 married a female Brown whose mother was Sarah Asselborough. Sarah's father appears to be Francis. I knew the DNA match was Cunningham and their action generally took place from South Shields to Sunderland.
So Boo's question is a good one. In order to track back to my Cunningham connection, I need to know the name of Sarah's father-in-law Brown. If her husband was Francis, one possible is John Brown born in 1858, and another, George Brown 1861 who was the son of Mary Robson Cunningham, sister of James Fairweather Cunningham. George had a brother called Francis Cunningham Brown....
So it is detective work which will find my exact relationship to my mother's new Hodgson 122 cM cousin with a common Cunningham ancestor that I am involved in.
Rootschat is full of fellow puzzle solvers .... if it were my own ancestor, I would happily pay, but I am not wealthy enough to pay for images to prove my relationship to so many Cunningham cousins!
PS I remember my great grandmother, the Cunningham cuckoo born in 1866 pushing me, aged 2.5 in my push chair in King's Cross Station in 1844 while evacuating from the V2s, but she thought her maiden name was Hurrion!
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I have checked the various possible sources for where else may hold these records (which could increase the likelihood of a look up request finding a volunteer, as Durham Record Office doesn't appear to have many visitors from Rootschat, going on previous requests I have seen)
Local Studies Library at The Word, South Shields
https://www.southtyneside.gov.uk/article/34350/Parish-registers
only have marriages up to 1904 listed for Whitburn
Tyne and Wear Archives
https://twarchives.org.uk/collection/user-guides-and-information
they too only have marriages up to 1904 listed for Whitburn
Family Search
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20&placeId=11782&query=%2Bplace%3A%22England%2C%20Durham%2C%20Whitburn%22&subjectsOpen=507923-50,533678-50
no records for Whitburn for this time frame - so even a visit to an FHC to look it up (which I could do for you) wont help
Durham Records Online (a pay per view site which does transcriptions)
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=824473.9;last_msg=6878277https://www.durhamrecordsonline.com/Parish_Record_Info.php
No records for Whitburn post 1852
Try a new query with a relevant title (Durham Record Office look up) and hopefully someone may be going,
Otherwise unless someone else knows of another possible source the cheapest option is the one I posted about using the Durham Record Office Quick Search facility.
http://www.durhamrecordoffice.org.uk/article/11113?SearchType=Param&Variations=N&Parish=Whitburn+St.+Mary&RegType=Marriages&OrderBy=NAME&ItemID=597983#marriagesAnchor
That will show you their reference number for the time frame and church to order the copy. Though you don't have a date and the Record office don't have these indexed, you do know the year and quarter and now the church and entry number in the register from the South Tyneside Registrars site which should help them find it.
Boo
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Thanks so much, barryd and Boo. I think Barrys find in Sunderland is not going to be an alternative; my Asselbrough/ Brown marriage took place in Whitburn St Mary. Thank,you boo for your looking up locations. I can follow up your advice if other methods fail.
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according to South Tyneside marriage search site,
Sarah E Asselbrough married Francis Brown 11 April 1914 at St Mary CE , Whitburn. this is in South Shields registration district. Sorry I omitted date before.
hope this helps.
taffie01
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Yes, thank you all. I have now identified said Hodgson as my 4th (1/2) cousin.