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Title: Photo Dating - South Australia - possible Skipworth photo
Post by: wheresshelly on Tuesday 21 January 20 03:22 GMT (UK)
I'm hoping to figure out whether these photos are 1870s or 1880s and not copies of older photos as some family members believe.
The woman's photo is by S Solomon of Rundle Street, Adelaide. His studio was active from 1874-1891. Would I be correct in assuming the pointed corners are more 1870s-early 80s? Is there anything about her dress that pinpoints one decade over the other. And the hair is throwing me, is she unmarried or just proud of her hair?

The man's photo doesn't have any photographer branding on it but the corners are pointed. Is there anything about his dress/face hair that pinpoints a decade?

I don't have the originals so these are the only photos of I have of the images.

Many thanks!
Title: Re: Photo Dating - South Australia - possible Skipworth photo
Post by: Treetotal on Tuesday 21 January 20 16:15 GMT (UK)
The first one looks like an 1870s copy of a late 1850s early 1860s photo. The second looks to be early/mid 1870s, the rounded corners were introduced in the early-mid 1870s in order that that the photos would fit more easily into the sleeves of Victorian photo albums. The oval vignette was popular in the 1870s.
Carol
Title: Re: Photo Dating - South Australia - possible Skipworth photo
Post by: jim1 on Tuesday 21 January 20 16:30 GMT (UK)
I believe the 1st. is 1870's as is the 2nd. The lady's bodice is too fussy for the 1850's-60's in my view,
Title: Re: Photo Dating - South Australia - possible Skipworth photo
Post by: Treetotal on Tuesday 21 January 20 18:09 GMT (UK)
Nice one Jim...I dated it by the ringlets, must try harder  ::) ;D The fact that she has her hair down would suggest that she is unmarried, she doesn't look very old.
Carol
Title: Re: Photo Dating - South Australia - possible Skipworth photo
Post by: Wiggy on Tuesday 21 January 20 21:06 GMT (UK)
All those ringlets  - interesting - didn't girls put their hair up in about mid teens?  Yet she does look older than early teens - to me anyway.  so does the way she is dressed.

Wiggy
Title: Re: Photo Dating - South Australia - possible Skipworth photo
Post by: jim1 on Tuesday 21 January 20 21:53 GMT (UK)
I have my doubts that those ringlets are real.
Certainly real hair but not necessarily hers.
Also I don't think there's any reason to think that they are not husband & wife.
Title: Re: Photo Dating - South Australia - possible Skipworth photo
Post by: Ruskie on Tuesday 21 January 20 22:50 GMT (UK)
I think it is tricky to estimate the ages of this couple. Her hair makes her appear younger, and his beard gives the impression that he is older.

Looking at her face I would say she could be anything from 20s to 40s. Imagining him without the beard, I would guess late 20s to 30s.

  :)
Title: Re: Photo Dating - South Australia - possible Skipworth photo
Post by: wheresshelly on Wednesday 22 January 20 06:01 GMT (UK)
Thanks everyone! Looks like you're all as confused as me. I can see both an 1860s woman and an 1880's woman in the photo, I wish I could see the whole dress as that would make it a lot easier!

I think she does look older in the face than what the hair suggests which makes me think it's a hair pride photo, although I've normally seen them with their hair brushed out, not in ringlets. I'm certain she didn't leave the studio with her hair like that though - scandalous! I don't think an unmarried woman in her 20-30's would wear her hair like that in public.
Title: Re: Photo Dating - South Australia - possible Skipworth photo
Post by: Treetotal on Wednesday 22 January 20 10:27 GMT (UK)
Dating is not an exact science and there will always be exceptions to the rule. Do you have any more photos of here for comparison and do you know here date of birth?
Carol
Title: Re: Photo Dating - South Australia - possible Skipworth photo
Post by: wheresshelly on Wednesday 22 January 20 13:05 GMT (UK)
Dating is not an exact science and there will always be exceptions to the rule. Do you have any more photos of here for comparison and do you know here date of birth?
Carol

other family members think it looks like a woman born in 1808 that they have older 70yo photos of but that would make her at least 66 if it's not a copy (so nope), and if it's a copy of a daguerreotype/ambrotype then she'd be around 38-50 (not likely). I personally don't think it's her, I don't think the family would have had money for dags/ambros back then.
Title: Re: Photo Dating - South Australia - possible Skipworth photo
Post by: Treetotal on Wednesday 22 January 20 13:12 GMT (UK)
I agree with you on all points, its more likely to be the next generation born in the 1840s...50s at a push.
Carol