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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: VelkyAl on Friday 17 January 20 18:48 GMT (UK)
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In researching my 3xgreat-grandmother Eliza Moyes I discovered that her father seems to have died in Canada.
Her father was George Moyes, a stonemason, born in 1822 in North Moulton, Devon, and his father was John Moyes. In 1845 George was living in St Helier, Jersey, and married Elizabeth Hill (b.1824), they had 2 daughters, Eliza (b.1848) and Celia (b.1857), who was born in Upper Canada.
In the 1871 Channel Island census, Elizabeth and the daughters are back living on Jersey, but no sign of George. Also, just for interest, boarding at the same house as Celia is one John Reese, my 3xgreat grandfather, who had recently retired from the Army, having most recently been stationed in.....Canada.
Can anyone help fill in the blanks as to what happened to George, and if possible who his mother was?
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1861 Canadian Census puts the family in St. Lawrence Ward, Hamilton, Wentworth County, Canada West (now Ontario, formerly Upper Canada):
Moyes, Geo., mason, b. England, Church of England, aged 27, married
Moyes, Eliz., b. England, aged 35, married
Moyes, Eliza, b. Jersey, aged 18?, servant (residence out of limits = St. Mary's Ward)
Moyes, Cecilia, b. Upper Canada, aged 4
The age gap between the girls and Elizabeth's age being older than George suggests a second marriage for Elizabeth, and that the daughter Eliza may be from her first marriage.
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Moyes, Eliza, b. Jersey, aged 18?, servant (residence out of limits = St.
That could be 13 which would match a birth in 1848 in Jersey ... the ink is kind of blotchy
The Canadian censuses are on a free site: Library and Archives Canada:
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1861/jpg/4391929_00584.jpg
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1862-1863 Hamilton City Directory
George Moyes, mason, house on Catharina [St?] near Catharine, or maybe north of Catharine
he's not in an 1866 directory, or an 1867-1868 directory
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did he have a brother or cousin named James?:
1856 Hamilton City Directory
George Moyes, bricklayer, house at 24 Lynd.
James Moyes, bricklayer, house at 24 Lynd.
in 1853: a Jane Moys at 104 Rebecca, but no George or James
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There is a George Moyse baptized 29 July 1821 in North Moulton, Devon, son of John Moyse and Ann. according to an index, no image available.
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did he have a brother or cousin named James?:
There is in St Helier, Jersey, in 1851
James Moyse, mason, b 1825, St Helier, Jersey,
wife Elizabeth,
son Charles, age 1.
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He is not far from your George in 1861:
1861 St Lawrence Ward #1 District, Wentworth County, Upper Canada
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1861/jpg/4391929_00295.jpg
James Moyes, mason, b England, 35
Elizabeth, b Jersey, 38
Charles, b Jersey, 11
Emma, b Jersey, 10
William, b Jersey, 8
Martha, b Upper Canada, 7
..lina, b Upper Canada, 5
.. Nora? b Upper Canada, 1
female birth in 1860 in household
male death in 1860 in household, 18 months, infantile cholera
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He stayed in Ontario and died there in 1903.
His middle name on some of the records was Rowel or Rule. That might be a clue to his mother's name.
On the 1871 Census of Canada he says he was born in England, but his wife and first son were born on the Isle of Jersey. In 1901 he says England, he is living with his daughter Selina Robinson in London, Ontario.
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Possible in 1851 St. Helier Census:
Moyse, Margaret, Head, widow, 32, charwoman, b. England
Moyse, George, Son, aged 13, b. Jersey
Moyse, James, Son, aged 10, b. Jersey
Moyse, John, Son, aged 7, b. Jersey
Moyse, William, Son, aged 5, b. Jersey
McKenlley, Cecilia, Mother, aged 62, widow, charwoman, b. Scotland
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1841 Jersey Census
McKenley, Margaret, aged 50, b. E
Moise, John, aged 20, mason, b. E
Moise, Margaret, aged 20, b. E
Moise, Cecilia, aged 4, b. Jersey
Moise, George, aged 3, b. Jersey
Moise, John, aged 2, b. Jersey
Moise, James, aged 1, b. Jersey
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1861 Canadian Census puts the family in St. Lawrence Ward, Hamilton, Wentworth County, Canada West (now Ontario, formerly Upper Canada):
Moyes, Geo., mason, b. England, Church of England, aged 27, married
Moyes, Eliz., b. England, aged 35, married
Moyes, Eliza, b. Jersey, aged 18?, servant (residence out of limits = St. Mary's Ward)
Moyes, Cecilia, b. Upper Canada, aged 4
The age gap between the girls and Elizabeth's age being older than George suggests a second marriage for Elizabeth, and that the daughter Eliza may be from her first marriage.
Not sure about the age of George being 27 with an 18 or 13 year old daughter, unless he was very precocious!
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She is likely Elizabeth's child from a first marriage; she is noted as a servant and living out of limits, so she is old enough to be on her own.
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She is likely Elizabeth's child from a first marriage; she is noted as a servant and living out of limits, so she is old enough to be on her own.
I have George and Elizabeth getting married in St Helier, Jersey in 1845, with George being born in 1822, making George 39 at the time of the 1861 census. Though that census 27 is pretty clear.
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Interesting ... Still a big gap between the children.
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Interesting ... Still a big gap between the children.
Perhaps, though given the birthdate that I have for Eliza as 1848, she would be 13 rather than 18, so only 9 years between her and Cecelia. There are 9 years between my eldest brother and my youngest. Probably arguing from silence, but it makes me wonder if Elizabeth had multiple miscarriages in the intervening years.
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Or babies who died in infancy. :(
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The 1861 census indicates young Eliza is out of the area in St Mary's Ward. This looks like it might be her, age 14, although it says born England and not Jersey....
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1861/jpg/4391930_00759.jpg
PB
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The 1861 census indicates young Eliza is out of the area in St Mary's Ward. This looks like it might be her, age 14, although it says born England and not Jersey....
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1861/jpg/4391930_00759.jpg
PB
The census entry posted earlier in this thread has Eliza seemingly crossed out, but gives her place of birth as Jersey.
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Coming back to the original question though, any signs of a death certificate for George?
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Given that he disappears from the city directory around 1863, his death was likely prior to civil registration which began in 1869, and even then, was spotty for the first few years.
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How reliable would parish registers be for that period?
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No idea, but it's worth writing to the Anglican Archdiocese for Niagara which covers Hamilton:
https://niagaraanglican.ca/
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This website has a George Moyes buried in Hamilton Cemetery. It is an index.....the linked page has instructions about how to get further info (under "once you have located.......").
http://ocfa.islandnet.com
PB
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https://www.hamilton.ca/life-events/burials
You can submit a family history request through this site.
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This website has a George Moyes buried in Hamilton Cemetery. It is an index.....the linked page has instructions about how to get further info (under "once you have located.......").
http://ocfa.islandnet.com
PB
Not my George seemingly.