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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Suffolk => England => Suffolk Lookup Requests => Topic started by: pigginnut on Friday 17 January 20 13:20 GMT (UK)
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I am hoping someone may be able to help us in our search for the mother of Dorothy J Marshall. She was born in the march quarter of 1930 in the Bosmere registration district and her mothers maiden name is Gale.
Her father was James Ernest Samuel Marshall who was born 1904 I believe in Winston, indeed we can search the family back in that area but nowhere can we find any record of the mother.
We really would like to get certificate but funds are very low at present :'( so were hoping some kind person may have access to the baptism records. or may be able to find a marriage which is eluding us
The only other mention of mothers surname is with the brother of Dorothy, who is James Ernest Samuel born June quarter 1932 Dunmowe reg district which I believe is actually Essex. Mothers surname is given as Gale there too.
If anyone could help we would be very gratefull.
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Have you located the family on the 1939 register
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James Ernest Samuel Marshall b 28.4.1904 died 1972 Surrey
Wife died 2005 Essex
You will find the family on the 1939 register in Hampshire
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James Ernest Samuel MARSHALL age 23 married Florence Ethel WARD age 21 on 30 Apr 1927 at Catterick Camp.
Maybe he wasn't free to marry again(Miss Gale?),so they just lived together?
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Thank you everyone that is all very very interesting, no I hadn't found them on 1939 register, not actually sure what that is.
And with regards the marriage I did wonder if maybe there was another marriage involved, thank you everyone
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Info about the 1939 register- taken on 29th Sept 1939.
Scroll down the page to find out all about it.
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/search-world-Records/1939-register
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I think the wife in 1939 is probably Ellen Harriet Sarah GALE born Sept. qtr 1907 Alton.Hampshire.
Not seeing a marriage,though.
Maureen
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Hi Maureen I think you are spot on. I think I have them on the 1939 register, just going by address as cannot see actual record without paying there are 3 people living at Cain Cottage Land of Nod, Alton RD
Jame E Marshall born 1904
James E S Marshall born 1932
And Helen Marshall born 1907
No sign of daughter Dorothy J Marshall born 1930 though
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carol8353 thank you for all your help and suggestions you have gotten us on track
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I think Dorothy is redacted on the 1939.
Maureen
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oh Maureen sounds dreadful what does that mean lol
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It means her entry cannot be displayed because it's within 100yrs of her birth and they don't know whether she has died
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/blog/family-records/redaction-and-the-1939-register
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oh Maureen sounds dreadful what does that mean lol
;D ;D
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It means her entry cannot be displayed because it's within 100yrs of her birth and they don't know whether she has died
Carole what a briiliant way to describe redaction. ;)
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I think the wife in 1939 is probably Ellen Harriet Sarah GALE born Sept. qtr 1907 Alton.Hampshire.
Not seeing a marriage,though.
Maureen
After Maureen's very clever find....
Name: Ellen Harriet Sarah Gale
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 7 Jul 1907
Baptism Place: Selborne, Hampshire, England
Father: James Gale
Mother: Ellen Chiverton
I still think that James Marshall wasn't free to marry Ellen/Helen as he was still officially married to Florence Ethel Ward.
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I think maureen and carol you have both been a huge help.
I thank you
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Death May 2005 Colchester Essex of Ellen Sarah H Marshall b 4.6.1907
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Hi again carolew. I did actually find death ref, but that is just adding to my puzzlement about whether they married, i realize people call themselves whatever they want these days but i thought they had to put legal name on legal documents. Clearly I thought wrong.
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From http://www.rootschat.com/links/01owg/
Surnames
1.Under English law, a person may change their surname at will. The law concerns itself only with the question whether the individual has in fact assumed and has come to be known by a surname different from that by which they were originally known.So long as that is the case the change of surname will be valid. The process is not subject to any documentary formalities although there is a facility for doing so through the UK courts by way of a Deed Poll or Statutory Declaration.
Forenames
2.As long as it is not done for fraudulent or other unlawful purposes, a person may assume any forename without any formalities and can identify themselves with, and be identified by, the assumed name.There is some uncertainty in English law as to whether a Christian (Baptismal) forename can be legally displaced. A determination of a person's legal forename can only be made by a UK Court. However an assumed forename used in place of the name given on baptism is still valid for the purposes of legal identification if it is by this name that the individual has generally become known
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Thank you Carol.
You learn something new every day lol
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James E S was a pigman and whilst I agree that the 1927 marriage prevented him marrying Ellen Gale I’m puzzled about the locations
He was born in Suffolk but the 1927 marriage was in North Yorkshire. 3 yrs later Dorothy is born in Suffolk to Ellen Gale who was born in Hampshire and they then all end up n Hampshire
Suffolk to Yorkshire is the puzzling bit but I wonder if the child born in Portsmouth in 1928 was theirs?