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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: brendan thomas on Wednesday 15 January 20 18:48 GMT (UK)
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Im looking for family information about Tim Kelly the Invincible. An anecdote about my grand uncle in late 1800s was that having deserted the British Army and before emigrating to the USA he stayed in Dublin with Kellys in Cabinteely because they were cousins of his wife who was a Clerkin from Monaghan. Of course it could be that he stayed with Clerkins in Cabinteely who were cousins of Kelly.
My family source has since died so I cant go back there.
Thanks
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Census information might be too late but here you are - only 2 Kelly entries living in Cabinteely
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Ballybrack/Cabinteely_Town/1316702/
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Ballybrack/Cabinteely_Town/1316806/
What other details do you have re Tim Kelly?
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Thanks Heywood.
No other info except he was famous as one of The invincibles who assasinated the Lord Lieutenant in the Phoenix Park and was executed with the others involved. The small bit a read about him is that he was a young apprentice coach builder and was a choir member.
I checked also GV for that village but no Kelly as tenants. Of course it could be just a family myth.
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Tim Kelly was hanged in 1883. Are you trying to find his family?
It is a bit confusing.
Was your grand uncle a Kelly? What was his name? What was the Clerkin lady called?
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Death certificate
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1883/06364/4826240.pdf
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According to a Facebook posting, his address was Redmond’s Hill.
There is this baptism - number 164
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633633#page/25/mode/1up
Parents Timothy Kelly and Mary Rorke
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Looking at the newspapers he had at least 2 sisters and 2 brothers, no names.
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I was contacted a couple of years ago by Aidan Lambert of the N G A trying to find his parents and came up with the same one at Redmonds Hill.
see address at bottom of page
http://www.nga.ie/Fenians-Invincibles-Joseph_Poole.php
the purpose of of Aidan contacting me was to find living relatives for a memorial.
possible death of his father 1886
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1886/06234/4784524.pdf
mother 1895 informant Mary Murphy Daughter
275
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1895/05942/4688263.pdf
Mary married Thomas Murphy 1891
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1891/10675/5890466.pdf
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Peter Murphy born 12 Redmonds Hill 1892
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1892/02337/1874459.pdf
Julia born Harcourt Rd 1898
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02052/1785380.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Fitzwilliam/Harcourt_Road/1306502/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Fitzwilliam/Harcourt_Road/73549/
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brother John 1871
152
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1871/11344/8164454.pdf
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Brendan,
If Tim Kelly turns out to be the relative, there is a Facebook post dated 8th June 2019 on the site ‘Invincibles Reinterment Campaign’ from Clare W mentioning him as ‘great grand uncle’.
Heywood
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Thanks heywood, Sinann and Dathai for all the info. I dont see any link at all so Ill have to go back to my notes on the topic.
However, I did learn a bit more history.
Regards,
Brendan Thomas
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Hello all, sorry for dragging up something old, but I'm investigating a link to Tim Kelly for someone.
2 of the links given above look more like 12 Richmond Hill rather than Redmond Hill. Of course in handwriting, Rich and Red look similar.
The Mary Kelly marriage:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1891/10675/5890466.pdf
John Kelly marriage:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1871/11344/8164454.pdf
The rest are clearly Redmond Hill.
What do you think?
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Those two marriages do look like Richmond Hill.
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If Kelly weren't such a common name, we would dismiss the discrepancy.
However, the St Andrew's version of the John Kelly marriage says 12 Redmond Hill in both the transcription on Irishgenealogy and the register image:
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633495#page/20/mode/1up
There's a note I can't make out in the comments column though.
The church version for the later marriage is not online - St Nicholas's church would be the right parish for Redmond Hill but not Richmond.
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I think the note says, ‘John Kelly is the man’s name’. If you look, you can see a correction to the name. It might have been written as ‘Keily’.
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1862 12, Redmond Hill has James Kelly, Provision’s Dealer
https://www.libraryireland.com/Dublin-Street-Directory-1862/1174.php
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Thanks for that.
I think it's coming together for my research.
The people I'm researching were living at 4 Redmond Hill in 1881 and were also Kellys.