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I wonder if anyone can find any further information about a marriage between William Thomas Critchfield and Maria Evans in Bermondsey JFM Quarter 1867. Vol 1d Page 123.
Thanks in advance :)
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He doesn't appear in Ancestry marriages so my guess is you may have to purchase the marriage cert
Louisa Maud
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Thanks for looking Louisa Maud. I just wanted to make sure I hadn't missed something.
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Have you followed them through the census?, if I am right it looks as if William was deceased by 1891
Louisa Maud
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Have you followed them through the census?, if I am right it looks as if William was deceased by 1891
Louisa Maud
They're not on the census together. It's a very long story, but in short William had a very complicated personal life. I was just hoping to find out if it was definitely my William Critchfield without shelling out for a marriage cert.
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They seem to have quite a few children, one I double checked on had a double barrelled surname including Roberts, he left a will from memory, not at my main comp, 1931, did they move to Lancashire?
Haven't checked on deaths for William but 1891 she is shown as " wid" but there looks to be an alteration
Louisa Maud
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He is William Thomas Critchfield b.1824 Bermondsey. He has occupations on the census of 'professional singer', 'musician', 'comedian and vocalist' amongst others. He marries Caroline M Winsland in Brixton 1845. They have one child, Ernest. Caroline dies in 1853. He marries Emily Jane Ryland in Scotland 1856. They have 2 children, Matilda Jessie and Raffaelle Garibaldi. Emily dies in late 1865.
This is an abbreviated version of a newspaper article in 1867. William is being taken to court for child support for an illegitimate child.
'Rose Newcomb......... alleged him to be the father, and said that the parties had known eachother for many years. in 1863 the complainant had given birth to an illegitimate child of which he was the father; but this child had since died. At this time the defendant was married, but he stated that if ever his wife died, he would marry the complainant. His wife died in September of last year, but instead of keeping his promise and acting honourably to the woman he had injured, he married another woman (this is what I believe to be the Evans marriage). In December last year the complainant gave birth to another child who she says the defendant is the father........
On the 1871 he is listed with his sons and the illegitimate daughter Florence. On the 1881 he is listed with Rose Newcomb (She obviously forgave him, but they never marry).
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What a mix up, no wonder you have trouble piecing it altogether,
1871 Maria looks as if she is living with her parents, poor girl must have found out about him, if I am correct she goes on to have numerous children , I assume they all belong to William but I haven't checked ONS for cross reference of mothers maiden names
Louisa Maud
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What a mix up, no wonder you have trouble piecing it altogether,
1871 Maria looks as if she is living with her parents, poor girl must have found out about him, if I am correct she goes on to have numerous children , I assume they all belong to William but I haven't checked ONS for cross reference of mothers maiden names
Louisa Maud
When you have time could you give me a few details about her parents, so that I might find her on the 1871 please? For whatever reason I haven't managed to find her yet on the site I have my subscription with. Many thanks.
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How about this
18/12/1838
All Souls Marylebone (Langham)
Thomas Evans 25 bachelor Cabinet Maker father John Evans Joiner
to
Martha Roberts 28 spinster father John Roberts Shoemaker
both of All Souls District
witnesses John Roberts and Martha Roberts
Louisa Maud
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Baptism for
William Evans
St Mary Lambeth
29/08/1841
of Thomas and Martha
Vauxhall Terrace
occ Cabinet maker
1861 possible sighting of William in Lambeth as a servant aged 21
Martha possibly died before 1881 as Thomas Evans her husband aged 61 is a lodger on 1881 at 6 Auckland Terr , Lambeth
Struggling to find Martha and Thomas plus family on any other census except 1871
LM
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Although Emily Jane Evans is shown as born Middx I beleive she is registered in Haverfordwest
1854 M qtr ref 11a 616
so i seems this family travelled around a bit, trying to tie them up ore with other family members from 1891
LM
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GOT THEM 1861
RG9; Piece: 4164; Folio: 44; Page: 10;
Thomas Evans 47 cabinet maker
Martha 49 hay maker
Maria 11
Emily J
All born Haversfordwest
LM
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Thank you so much for this ;D I have been caught up trying to trace the Roberts connection for sure. This all backs up your original findings in Lancs about the Roberts.
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I have found them on the 1851 in Haverfordwest
HO107; Piece: 2478; Folio: 144; Page: 14
Thomas Evans 37 Cabinet Maker
Martha Evans 41 Haymaker
John Evans 11
William Evans 9
Martha Evans 6
Thomas Evans 4
Maria Evans 1
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1871 Maria looks as if she is living with her parents, poor girl must have found out about him, if I am correct she goes on to have numerous children , I assume they all belong to William but I haven't checked ONS for cross reference of mothers maiden names
When you have time could you give me a few details about her parents, so that I might find her on the 1871 please?
For whatever reason I haven't managed to find her yet on the site I have my subscription with. Many thanks.
1871 Piece: 668 Folio: 107 Page Number: 25
20 Glyn Street
Thomas Evans 27 Cabinet maker
Martha Evans 60
William Evans 29
Maria Critchfield 21 Haverfordwest Marr. professional singer
Emily Jane Evans 17
Ada Evans 3 gd/dau
Harry Critchfield 3 gd/son camberwell
Mabel Evans 11/12 gd/dau
CRITCHFIELD, EDWIN HARRY mmn EVANS
1868 M Quarter in CAMBERWELL Volume 01D Page 628
Edwin Harry Roberts
[Edwin Harry Critchfield-Roberts]
Death Date: 26 Sep 1931
Death Place: Lancashire, England
Probate Date: 25 Nov 1931 to widow Ada Critchfield Roberts, Frank Roberts publisher and Agnes Caroline Neave spinsters
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1901 Piece: 3709 Folio: 93 Page Number: 16
Edwin Hary Critchfield 33 Camberwell estate agent
Ada Critchfield 32
Agnes Caroline Neave 33 visitor
Selina Isherwood 28 serv
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Thank you Louisa Maud and Ladyhawk.
I am now sure that Roberts is the maiden name of Maria's mother. As I have found their children on the GRO index.
EVANS, JOHN ROBERTS
GRO Reference: 1839 D Quarter in HAVERFORDWEST Volume 26 Page 536
EVANS, WILLIAM ROBERTS
GRO Reference: 1841 S Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 04 Page 236
EVANS, MARTHA ROBERTS
GRO Reference: 1845 M Quarter in HAVERFORDWEST Volume 26 Page 646
EVANS, MARIA ROBERTS
GRO Reference: 1849 J Quarter in HAVERFORDWEST Volume 26 Page 741
EVANS, MARTHA ROBERTS
GRO Reference: 1845 M Quarter in HAVERFORDWEST Volume 26 Page 646
EVANS, EMILY JANE ROBERTS
GRO Reference: 1854 M Quarter in HAVERFORDWEST Volume 11A Page 61
My working theory is that Maria died ( although I cannot find an entry), or somehow became incapacitated and relations on the Roberts side of the family took them in. I am trying to trace the Roberts line to either prove or disprove this. It also could be a huge coincidence, and Roberts is a partner to Maria ( I can find no evidence for this thus far). I also cannot find a census entry for Maria for 1881, which might hold some more clues. Any assistance gratefully received.
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Still looking 1881c here’s the 1891 just in case it helps others looking
Piece: 3202 Folio: 56
Maria Critchfield 41 Haverfordwest
Edwin H Critchfield 25
Kathrine M Critchfield 20
Emily G Critchfield 16
Georgina Critchfield 14
Frank Critchfield 12
Thomas Evans 77 father retired cabinet maker
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All bpt on same day
Emily Gwendoline Hardy Critchfield , Georgina Hardy Critchfield & Frank Hardy Critchfield
21 May 1884 at Chorlton upon Medlock, St Stephen, Lancashire
Father: William Critchfield occ traveller
Mother: Marie
abode 42 Mornington Street
And this one has father as Thomas
Catherine Mabel Critchfield
bp 10 Aug 1870 Saint Peter, West Dulwich, Lambeth
parents Thomas Critchfield occ musician & Maria
abode 20 Glyn St
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Maria and children are not with her widowed father Thomas on 1881 census ???
Piece: 599 Folio: 77 Page Number: 38
address: 6 Auckland St Lambeth London
Joseph Miller 69
Mary A. Miller 69
Thomas Evans 67 Haverfordwest, cabinet maker
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,CRITCHFIELD GEORGINA HARDY - Mother’s maiden name blank ???
1876 S Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 234
CRITCHFIELD, FRANK HARDY -
1877 D Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 853
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Thank you for your imput Ladyhawk. It's such a confusing family. I haven't been able to find out the Hardy connection as yet either. The MMN is blank on her last 3 children.
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The girls all marry as Roberts. Unfortunately all this takes place in between the 1891 and 1901 census
Marriages Dec 1899
Roberts Emily Gwendoline Chorlton 8c 1387
Marriages Sep 1896
ROBERTS Katherine Mabel Chorlton 8c 1361
Marriages Dec 1898
ROBERTS Georgina Critchfield Chorlton 8c 1341
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1881 - 26 Fernleaf St, Moss Side
Eliza Roberts 31 - wife, married b Pembrokeshire
Edwin Roberts 13 - b Middlesex
Katherine Roberts 11 - b Middlesex
Emily Roberts 6 - Manchester
Georgina Roberts 4 - Manchester
Frank Roberts 3 - Manchester
Emma Edwards 39 - visitor b Middlesex
Jane Roberts 17 - servant b PLymouth
RG11; 3940; 49; 15;
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Is this the Critchfield family on 1881 census surname ROBERTS mothers name Eliza :-\
Piece: 3940 Folio: 49 Page Number: 15
26 Fernleaf St., Moss Side Manchester
Eliza Roberts Marr 31 Pembroke
Edwin Roberts 13 Middlesex
Katherine Roberts 11 ditto
Emily Roberts. 6 Manchester
Georgina Roberts 4 ditto
Frank Roberts 3 ditto
Emma Edwards 39 visitor
Jane Roberts 17 servant
edit - Snap Mabel posting same time
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Mabel, Ladyhawk I cannot thank you enough!! I spent most of yesterday looking for any possible census entries and came up blank.
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1901 census
RG13; Piece: 3778; Folio: 29; Page: 7
Prestwich Lancs
Elise Roberts widow 51
Haverfordwest,Pembrokeshire - Living on own means
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Possible death entry
Eliza ROBERTS
Registration Year: 1902
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 52
Registration district: Prestwich Lancashire
Volume: 8d Page: 245
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I have somehow unsubscribed myself, will be back when I sort it out, how stupid of me
Louisa Maud
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so easy to do ive done it myself several times lol but i use the fault that I've suffered a stroke to excuse myself lol
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The girls all marry as Roberts.
Unfortunately all this takes place in between the 1891 and 1901 census
Marriages Dec 1899
Roberts Emily Gwendoline Chorlton 8c 1387
Marriages Sep 1896
ROBERTS Katherine Mabel Chorlton 8c 1361
Marriages Dec 1898
ROBERTS Georgina Critchfield Chorlton 8c 1341
All bpt on same day
Emily Gwendoline Hardy Critchfield ,
Georgina Hardy Critchfield &
Frank Hardy Critchfield
Baptism Date: 21 May 1884
Baptism Place: Chorlton upon Medlock, St Stephen, Lancashire
Father: William Critchfield occ traveller
Mother: Marie abode 42 Mornington Street
And this one has father as Thomas
Catherine Mabel Critchfield
Baptism Date: 10 Aug 1870
Baptism Place: Saint Peter, West Dulwich, Lambeth, England
Father: Thomas Critchfield occ musician
Mother: Maria abode 20 Glyn St
You certainly have a complicated family - so only three of the Critchfield children had a middle name Hardy when christened and then the 3 girls used surname Roberts to marry :-\
Katherine's daughter & son
MALPASS, MABEL ELISE mmn ROBERTS
1897 D Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 773
MALPASS, CEDRIC HARRY mmn ROBERTS
1905 M Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03A Page 61
1901 census Piece: 933 Folio: 107 Page Number: 14
Marcus Geerts Head 36
Charles MALPASS boarder 29 Publisher of books
Kathleen Malpass " 29
Mabel Malpass " 3
Frank ROBERTS. " 23
plus 5 other boarders
Marguerite Geerts wife 34
Hilda Geerts dau 3
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You may already have these details but just in case.........
Harold PERRY
Birth year 1882
Occupation Clerk Shop Assistant
Attestation year 1917
Attestation date 21 Mar 1917
Attestation age 35
Service number 69265
Marriage year 1899
Marriage date 15 Dec 1899
Spouse Emily Gwendoline
Child's first name(s) Emily bn 03 Jun 1900
Child 2 first name(s) Frank 18 Oct 1901
Child 3 first name(s) Harold 24 Jan 1904
Child 4 first name(s) Gwendoline 23 Jan 1912
Archive reference AIR 79/640
All PERRY children mn ROBERTS - GRO indexes
Edit - same for Georgina’s daughter
1901 Piece: 3778 Folio: 28 Page Number: 6 - Prestwich
Lawrence S F Ainley 26
Georgina F Ainley 24
Gwendoline F Ainley 1
AINLEY, GWENDOLINE FROST mmn ROBERTS
1899 S Quarter in PRESTWICH Volume 08D Page 471
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You certainly have a complicated family - so only three of the Critchfield children had a middle name Hardy when christened and then the 3 girls used surname Roberts to marry :-
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Thank you so much for all the time you have given to this. It is very kind of you. My own feelings are that Edwin Harry and Katherine/Catherine/Kathleen Mabel were William T Critchfield's children, the others were not, and the gentleman concerned was named Hardy. I would really appreciate other points of view on this.
I am still getting my head round the Roberts/Critchfield scenario. It's so confusing. I am convinced the 1881 that was found by Mabel and Ladyhawk is them, which brings up questions as to why she went to back to Critchfield in 1891. What a conundrum!! Any ideas or suggestions regarding this wil be much appreciated also.
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My own feelings are that Edwin Harry and Katherine/Catherine/Kathleen Mabel were William T Critchfield's children, the others were not, and the gentleman concerned was named Hardy. I would really appreciate other points of view on this.
Still looking to see what I can find - had you seen these two birth entries
Emily Gwen H Critchfield
Registration Year: 1874
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Manchester Lancashire
Volume: 8d Page: 217
Emily Gwen H Hardy
Registration Year: 1874
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Manchester Lancashire
Volume: 8d Page: 217
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My own feelings are that Edwin Harry and Katherine/Catherine/Kathleen Mabel were William T Critchfield's children, the others were not, and the gentleman concerned was named Hardy. I would really appreciate other points of view on this.
Still looking to see what I can find - had you seen these two birth entries
Emily Gwen H Critchfield
Registration Year: 1874
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Manchester Lancashire
Volume: 8d Page: 217
Emily Gwen H Hardy
Registration Year: 1874
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Manchester Lancashire
Volume: 8d Page: 217
You beat me to it, I was just about to post this. I think this is the one to order. This morning I have seen a tree online that says the father is George Hardy, but it has no citations.
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Sorry, just realised that the 2nd child is a Hardy too, but baptised as Critchfield. The surname confusion has messed up my usually well organised brain.
HARDY, CATHERINE MABEL EVANS
GRO Reference: 1870 S Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 344
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My own feelings are that Edwin Harry and Katherine/Catherine/Kathleen Mabel were William T Critchfield's children, the others were not, and the gentleman concerned was named Hardy. I would really appreciate other points of view on this.
Still looking to see what I can find - had you seen these two birth entries
Emily Gwen H Critchfield
Registration Year: 1874
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Manchester Lancashire
Volume: 8d Page: 217
Emily Gwen H Hardy
Registration Year: 1874
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Manchester Lancashire
Volume: 8d Page: 217
You beat me to it, I was just about to post this. I think this is the one to order. This morning I have seen a tree online that says the father is George Hardy, but it has no citations.
Maybe deciding on purchasing one of the births of the children mentioned to see who has been named father ??? The three baptisms say father William Thomas Critchfield and Catherine's Thomas Critchfield - it's all very confusing.
Might the Hardy surname have something to do with William ???
Just confirming these are the other birth entries
Catherine Mabel Hardy Sep qtr 1870 Lambeth RD Ref 1d 344
Georgina Hardy Critchfield Sep qtr 1876 Manchester Ref 8d 234
Frank Hardy Critchfield Dec qtr 1877 Chorlton RD Ref 8c 853
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As far as I can see, there is no Hardy link to the Critchfields. William Thomas Critchfield keeps that name throughout his life, and during his time on the stage. So I don't think it's a case of a name change on his part. His MMN is Swinyard. He is living in Southwark 1871 and Reading 1881, but did travel extensively at certain points in his life to perform at music halls. So I suppose there is a possibility that Maria saw him after she left London. I think finding out about his illegitimate child and the court case may have ended their marriage very soon after it begun.
I have ordered a birth cert for Emily Gwen, as she has the double entry. Hopefully that will be available by the end of the week.
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I have had to make an alteration to one of my posts as the 1901 entry I believe to be Maria/Eliza actually shows her name as Elise. I thought this meant that I had found the wrong person, but then I found an entry on the 1911 census Isleworth.
Class: RG14; Piece: 6813; Schedule Number: 56
Frank Roberts 33
Florence Rebecca Louise Roberts 25
Frank Montrose Roberts 6
Elise Roberts 3
Elise Roberts 61
Elise is marked as a visitor. Hers and Frank snrs details match with the Critchfield/Hardy/Roberts scenario, and I believe that Frank jnr is the person alluded to in Edwin Critchfield's probate entry, as he becomes a newspaper publisher.
Also a death entry with a location that fits with her entry on the 1901
Deaths Dec 1918
Roberts Elise 69 Prestwich 8d 586
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I have ordered a birth cert for Emily Gwen, as she has the double entry. Hopefully that will be available by the end of the week.
Please let us know how you get on once b/c arrives - it will be very interesting
The other thing I wondered was why were
Emily Gwendoline Hardy bn 1874 , Georgina Hardy bn 1876 & Frank Hardy Critchfield bn 1877
were all christened together in 1884
I have had to make an alteration to one of my posts as the 1901 entry I believe to be Maria/Eliza actually shows her name as Elise.
I thought this meant that I had found the wrong person, but then I found an entry on the 1911 census Isleworth.
Class: RG14; Piece: 6813; Schedule Number: 56
Frank Roberts 33
Florence Rebecca Louise Roberts 25
Frank Montrose Roberts 6
Elise Roberts 3
Elise Roberts 61
Elise is marked as a visitor. Hers and Frank snrs details match with the Critchfield/Hardy/Roberts scenario, and I believe that Frank jnr is the person alluded to in Edwin Critchfield's probate entry, as he becomes a newspaper publisher.
Also a death entry with a location that fits with her entry on the 1901
Deaths Dec 1918
Roberts Elise 69 Prestwich 8d 586
It also notes her as mother (visitor)
5 children / 5 still living (this has been crossed out with a red line) :-\
Frank Roberts, Publishers Manager
Enlistment Age 38 in Army Service Corps
m 30 Jun 1919 R.O. Ecclesall Bierlow Sheffield
Document Year: 1915
Residence Place: 405 Goldhawk Rd, Hammersmith W
Florence Rebecca Louise (MALPASS) Spouse
Frank Montana Roberts Child
Elise Roberts Child
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I will definitely let you know when the cert arrives. You have been so generous with your time on this.
I also wondered about Maria's sudden decision to baptise the children.
Also thanks for the information on Frank. I shall go take a look at that now.
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I think I have been reinstated, I haven't been able to be part of your recent info
What a find that Maria becomes an Eliza, or have I had yet another senior moment
Louisa Maud
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Mrs Frank has maiden name Malpass. Double sibling marriages?
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Mrs Frank has maiden name Malpass. Double sibling marriages?
MALPASS, CHARLES SEPTIMUS WILKINS
GRO Reference: 1872 M Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 800
MALPASS, FLORENCE REBECCA WILKINS
GRO Reference: 1869 S Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 674
Marriages Sep 1896
Malpas Charles Septimus Chorlton 8c 1361
Marriages Jun 1903
Malpass Florence Rebecca J Ecclesall B. 9c 721
And thanks once again for your help Mabel.
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Did you ever find a death for William Thomas Critchfield or a will?
Louisa Maud
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Did you ever find a death for William Thomas Critchfield or a will?
Louisa Maud
Deaths Sep 1889
Critchfield William Thomas 65 Bethnal Green 1c 138a
I found the probate entry for him, proved by his sons. I've ordered the will to see if there's any clues to all this other stuff in there.
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I have had to make an alteration to one of my posts as the 1901 entry I believe to be Maria/Eliza actually shows her name as Elise. I thought this meant that I had found the wrong person, but then I found an entry on the 1911 census Isleworth.
Class: RG14; Piece: 6813; Schedule Number: 56
Frank Roberts 33
Florence Rebecca Louise Roberts 25
Frank Montrose Roberts 6
Elise Roberts 3
Elise Roberts 61
Elise is marked as a visitor. Hers and Frank snrs details match with the Critchfield/Hardy/Roberts scenario, and I believe that Frank jnr is the person alluded to in Edwin Critchfield's probate entry, as he becomes a newspaper publisher.
Also a death entry with a location that fits with her entry on the 1901
Deaths Dec 1918
Roberts Elise 69 Prestwich 8d 586
I now have an entry from the probate calendar 1918. Elise Roberts died 9th November 1918. Probate to Edwin Harry Critchfield Roberts and Frank Roberts.
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Looks good, family members match up
Louisa Maud
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I now have an entry from the probate calendar 1918.
Elise Roberts died 9th November 1918. Probate to Edwin Harry Critchfield Roberts and Frank Roberts.
Well found pleased you are getting some matches with the persons named on censuses.
Hope the b/c you have ordered will be of help.
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Don't know if you've seen these entries from F M P Electoral registers 1832-1932
It looks as if Edwin Harry CRITCHFIELD only started using surname ROBERTS from 1915 onwards
(couldn't find year 1914)
Years 1921 1923 1926 1928 1929*
Edwin Harry Critchfield Roberts & Ada Critchfield Roberts
120 Railway Road district Stretford Lancashire
*also at that address Agnes Neave & Annie Williamson
Year 1915
Edwin Harry Critchfield Roberts 102 Railway Road late of 82 Davyhulme Road
Year 1912 1913
Edwin Harry Critchfield 82 Davyhulme Road near Urmston House successive late of 28 St Clements Road Chorlton cum Hardy
Year 1905 1909 (EHC) 1910 (EHC)
Harry Edwin Critchfield 28 St Clements Road, Dwelling House
1891 census address 89, Gardner Road, Prestwich, Lancashire for Elise ROBERTS
Year 1902
Frank ROBERTS bedroom furnished 89, Gardner Road, Prestwich 7s per week
Name & address of Landlord or other person to whom rent is paid
Elise ROBERTS
Years 1908-1914 Name of Elector Elise ROBERTS 89, Gardner Road, Prestwich, Lancashire,, dwelling house
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Don't know if you've seen these entries from F M P Electoral registers 1832-1932
It looks as if Edwin Harry CRITCHFIELD only started using surname ROBERTS from 1915 onwards
(couldn't find year 1914)
Years 1921 1923 1926 1928 1929*
Edwin Harry Critchfield Roberts & Ada Critchfield Roberts
120 Railway Road district Stretford Lancashire
*also at that address Agnes Neave & Annie Williamson
Year 1915
Edwin Harry Critchfield Roberts 102 Railway Road late of 82 Davyhulme Road
Year 1912 1913
Edwin Harry Critchfield 82 Davyhulme Road near Urmston House successive late of 28 St Clements Road Chorlton cum Hardy
Year 1905 1909 (EHC) 1910 (EHC)
Harry Edwin Critchfield 28 St Clements Road, Dwelling House
1891 census address 89, Gardner Road, Prestwich, Lancashire for Elise ROBERTS
Year 1902
Frank ROBERTS bedroom furnished 89, Gardner Road, Prestwich 7s per week
Name & address of Landlord or other person to whom rent is paid
Elise ROBERTS
Years 1908-1914 Name of Elector Elise ROBERTS 89, Gardner Road, Prestwich, Lancashire,, dwelling house
I have found him inn business directories 1903 and in his freemason membership 1901-1909 as Critchfield Roberts. They are such a confusing family, who seem to like to alter their names at will!
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The birth PDF arrived today.
Emily Gwen Hardy born 10th July 1874, Deangate Manchester
Father George Hardy - occupation brewer
Mother Maria Critchfield (states 'an actress' where MMN is usually written)
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The birth PDF arrived today.
Emily Gwen Hardy born 10th July 1874, Deangate Manchester
Father George Hardy - occupation brewer
Mother Maria Critchfield (states 'an actress' where MMN is usually written)
I have only managed to find one George Hardy - brewer. 1871 census RG10; Piece: 3971; Folio: 73; Page: 20
George Hardy 39 born Bakewell, Derbyshire
Elizabeth Hardy 39
Thomas Hardy 17
Harry Hardy 15
Fred Hardy 12
And 1881 Class: RG11; Piece: 3507; Folio: 98; Page: 42
George Hardy 49
Elizth.A. Hardy 49
Thomas Hardy 27
Harry Hardy 23
Fred Hardy 22
Florence Hardy 7
Cannot as yet find him on the 1861 (any help appreciated). His age to me makes this possible. Also the fact that he was living in Lancs in 1871, which is where Maria ended up somewhere between 1871 and 1874 when Emily Gwen was born.
Does this seem feasible?
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66, Swan Street, Manchester, Lancashire
1861 census RG09/2955/27 p50
George Hardy Head Marr Inn Keeper Employing 8 servants Bakewell, Derbyshire
Elizabeth Hardy Wife married Shefford, Yorkshire
Harry Hardy Son b Salford, Lancashire
Fred Hardy Son - Salford, Lancashire
John Miller Servant
Teresa Longden Servant Barmaid Pendleton, Lancashired
Sarah Lee Servant Kitchen Maid b Northwick, Cheshire
Ann Lee Visitor Married - b Northwick, Cheshire
1861 census RG09/2955/27 p50
Moderator comment: edited to remove cut and paste from a subscription site. Please DO NOT cut & paste from these indexes. Thank you
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Wondering if this is his death
George HARDY of Pickering Lodge Timperley Cheshire gentleman died 26th March 1894
Probate to Joseph Hardy brewer’s traveller, Joshuas Longden auctioneer, Arthur Youn Lees estate agent and John Wilce warehouse man
Effects £269762 2s
Reworn Dec 1894 £272853 14s 6d
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Wondering if this is his death
George HARDY of Pickering Lodge Timperley Cheshire gentleman died 26th March 1894
Probate to Joseph Hardy brewer’s traveller, Joshuas Longden auctioneer, Arthur Youn Lees estate agent and John Wilce warehouse man
Effects £269762 2s
Reworn Dec 1894 £272853 14s 6d
In the 1891 census he is living at that address.
Thank you so much for finding the 1861. I think this must be the correct George Hardy.
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Ada E Hardy nee Asquith is on 1901 she is living alone in Finchley Road Hampstead a widow aged 35
Louisa Maud
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I wonder if George Hardy & William Thomas Critchfield knew of each other :-\
If I have the correct William Thomas Critchfield his sons
William James Leopold bp 1847 occ Publican Duke's Head Fore St
Alfred James bpt 1848 occ Publican Duke's Head Fore St
Ernest Westmore bpt 1851 occ Publican
mother Caroline Margaret
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Is this George's 1st marriage
George HARDY occ Letter Press Printer father Jospeh occ Publican
Marriage 4 Jul 1853
Marriage Place: Eccles, St Mary, Lancashire
Spouse: Elizabeth Ann LONGDEN father Joseph, shop keeper
both full age
HARDY, HARRY mmn LONGDEN
1857 D Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 73
HARDY, FRED mmn LONGDEN
1859 M Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 94
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I wonder if George Hardy & William Thomas Critchfield knew of each other :-\
If I have the correct William Thomas Critchfield his sons
William James Leopold bp 1847 occ Publican Duke's Head Fore St
Alfred James bpt 1848 occ Publican Duke's Head Fore St
Ernest Westmore bpt 1851 occ Publican
mother Caroline Margaret
William and Ernest are definitely his sons. I need to take a look at Alfred, as I have a death record for him. There is another Critchfield/Winsland marriage.
CRITCHFIELD, ALFRED JAMES 1
GRO Reference: 1849 J Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 04 Page 195
His son Raffaelle b.1862 MMN Ryland was also a pub landlord, as was his son William Marcus b.1859 MMN Ryland. I hadn't even thought about this being the link. This is what I love about Rootschat!! Thank you so much
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Think you already have the marriage
William Thomas to Caroline Margaret Winsland
George John full age Lic Victualler fth James Tobacco Pipe Maker
to
Mary Ann Winsland age 19 fth James Gentleman ( as was Caroline's father 1849)
at St Pauls Bermondsay
10/03/1856
both of St Pauls
Louisa Maud
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Baptism 23/04/1848
St Mary Lambeth
Alfred James Critchfield
of William Thomas and Caroline Margaret
occ Publican of Dukes Head Fore St
Louisa Maud
PS, I am not getting any replies but am dipping in and out of this when I can hoping I can catch up
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I wonder if George Hardy & William Thomas Critchfield knew of each other :-\
If I have the correct William Thomas Critchfield his sons
William James Leopold bp 1847 occ Publican Duke's Head Fore St
Alfred James bpt 1848 occ Publican Duke's Head Fore St
Ernest Westmore bpt 1851 occ Publican
mother Caroline Margaret
William and Ernest are definitely his sons. I need to take a look at Alfred, as I have a death record for him. There is another Critchfield/Winsland marriage.
CRITCHFIELD, ALFRED JAMES 1
GRO Reference: 1849 J Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 04 Page 195
His son Raffaelle b.1862 MMN Ryland was also a pub landlord, as was his son William Marcus b.1859 MMN Ryland. I hadn't even thought about this being the link. This is what I love about Rootschat!! Thank you so much
My apologies, I found the birth for Alfred James. I'd inadvertantly saved it into the wrong Critchfield marriage file..... This family have really tested the little grey cells!!
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Can you please send me a reply, any old reply, I was blocked by BT apparently and I just need someone to send me a message from Rootschat to prove I am back, have had no replies all week from anyone due to being blocked, a real pest if you ask me
Louisa Maud
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I've sent you one for private message too Louisa Maud
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I am not getting any replies from Rootschat at all, really don't know why, I am getting help from a very helpful moderator but BT can't help me either
I will look out for a reply Flouncy
Louisa Maud
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Emily Gwen Hardy born 10th July 1874, Deangate Manchester
Father George Hardy - occupation brewer
Mother Maria Critchfield (states 'an actress' where MMN is usually written)
All bpt on same day
Emily Gwendoline Hardy Critchfield ,
Georgina Hardy Critchfield &
Frank Hardy Critchfield
Baptism Date: 21 May 1884
Baptism Place: Chorlton upon Medlock, St Stephen, Lancashire
Father: William Critchfield occ traveller
Mother: Marie abode 42 Mornington Street
Emily baptised 10 years after her birth :-\ (WTC died 1889)
You may have already have looked at these details
is this George HARDY on 1841/ 51 censuses ?
Victoria Terrace Red Bank Manchester Piece: 573 Folio: 5 page 4
Josh Hardy 35 occ. Currier
Elizh Hardy 35
Henry Hardy 13
Fanny Hardy 11
George Hardy 9
Mary Mestden 16
All Hardy's noted as not born in this county
1851 Dale St Manchester Piece: 2229 Folio: 650 Page Number: 16
Joseph HARDY 46 occ Publican wife Elizabeth, children Henry, Fanny, Elizabeth, Joseph & Ellen
son George 19 , occ Letter Press Printer
Is the above George Hardy the same person as on the 1861 census occ Inn Keeper?
Joseph died 1888,
The Will of Jospeh Hardy late of Sale Chester Gentleman died 26th July at Sale
Executors are sons
George Hardy, Brewer of Ellesmere Brewery Manchester and
Joseph Hardy, Brewer’s Traveller of Stanton House Ashton-on-Mersey
Found these two baptisms:-
Fanny HARDY 14 Feb 1830 Bakewell Derbyshire father Joseph, occ currier mother Elizabeth
Fanny age 22 , Dale Street married 1852 father Joseph HARDY occ Publican
Henry HARDY 18 Jul 1828 Bakewell, Derbyshire Father: Joseph occ currier Mother:Elizabeth
Henry can be found on 1861 census 210 Deansgate “Dog Inn” his occ Victualler married to Ellen , child Henry Smailes Hardy & his sister Elizabeth Sarah 18
1871 census Henry HARDY seems to be married to
Mary A, 4 children, his occupation is Master Brewer employing 20 men
George HARDY , occ Letter Press Printer & Elizabeth
son Thomas born 23 Feb 1854 bpt 23 March Manchester
George HARDY, occ. Gentleman & Elizabeth Ann
son Harry born 27th Aug 1857 bpt 11th Oct, Manchester
George HARDY, occ. Printer & Elizabeth Ann
son Fred born 12th Jan 1859 bpt. 16 Feb., Manchester
Headstone George & Elizabeth Ann Hardy
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/139938153
George Hardy
Death Mar 1894 Cheshire
Burial Sale Brooklands Cemetery
Sale, Metropolitan Borough of Trafford, Greater Manchester
PLOT CE Section H Grave 1289
Elizabeth Ann Hardy
Burial or Cremation Date: 24 Apr 1886
Burial or Cremation Place: Greater Manchester
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Thank you so much for this Ladyhawk. Sorry for the delay in reply, but I've had to do a factory reset on my laptop. Will look at this in depth as soon as I have organised all my family tree data again.
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Emily Gwen Hardy born 10th July 1874, Deangate Manchester
Father George Hardy - occupation brewer
Mother Maria Critchfield (states 'an actress' where MMN is usually written)
All bpt on same day
Emily Gwendoline Hardy Critchfield ,
Georgina Hardy Critchfield &
Frank Hardy Critchfield
Baptism Date: 21 May 1884
Baptism Place: Chorlton upon Medlock, St Stephen, Lancashire
Father: William Critchfield occ traveller
Mother: Marie abode 42 Mornington Street
Emily baptised 10 years after her birth :-\ (WTC died 1889)
You may have already have looked at these details
is this George HARDY on 1841/ 51 censuses ?
Victoria Terrace Red Bank Manchester Piece: 573 Folio: 5 page 4
Josh Hardy 35 occ. Currier
Elizh Hardy 35
Henry Hardy 13
Fanny Hardy 11
George Hardy 9
Mary Mestden 16
All Hardy's noted as not born in this county
1851 Dale St Manchester Piece: 2229 Folio: 650 Page Number: 16
Joseph HARDY 46 occ Publican wife Elizabeth, children Henry, Fanny, Elizabeth, Joseph & Ellen
son George 19 , occ Letter Press Printer
Is the above George Hardy the same person as on the 1861 census occ Inn Keeper?
Joseph died 1888,
The Will of Jospeh Hardy late of Sale Chester Gentleman died 26th July at Sale
Executors are sons
George Hardy, Brewer of Ellesmere Brewery Manchester and
Joseph Hardy, Brewer’s Traveller of Stanton House Ashton-on-Mersey
Found these two baptisms:-
Fanny HARDY 14 Feb 1830 Bakewell Derbyshire father Joseph, occ currier mother Elizabeth
Fanny age 22 , Dale Street married 1852 father Joseph HARDY occ Publican
Henry HARDY 18 Jul 1828 Bakewell, Derbyshire Father: Joseph occ currier Mother:Elizabeth
Henry can be found on 1861 census 210 Deansgate “Dog Inn” his occ Victualler married to Ellen , child Henry Smailes Hardy & his sister Elizabeth Sarah 18
1871 census Henry HARDY seems to be married to
Mary A, 4 children, his occupation is Master Brewer employing 20 men
George HARDY , occ Letter Press Printer & Elizabeth
son Thomas born 23 Feb 1854 bpt 23 March Manchester
George HARDY, occ. Gentleman & Elizabeth Ann
son Harry born 27th Aug 1857 bpt 11th Oct, Manchester
George HARDY, occ. Printer & Elizabeth Ann
son Fred born 12th Jan 1859 bpt. 16 Feb., Manchester
Headstone George & Elizabeth Ann Hardy
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/139938153
George Hardy
Death Mar 1894 Cheshire
Burial Sale Brooklands Cemetery
Sale, Metropolitan Borough of Trafford, Greater Manchester
PLOT CE Section H Grave 1289
Elizabeth Ann Hardy
Burial or Cremation Date: 24 Apr 1886
Burial or Cremation Place: Greater Manchester
Having just purchased a full subscription to a newspaper archive, I have just found some newspaper articles relating to Maria Critchfield. These finally answer some nagging questions for us. If you have a newspaper subscription you may be able to view these in their entirety. But in short:
Eliza Roberts was Maria's stage name during her singing career. There is a fabulous article in the London Morning Post dated 4th April 1873, where she takes 'The Great Vance' to court for breach of contract. It states in the article that her stage name is Eliza Roberts. So Eliza/Elise is definitely who we thought she was.
And then in the Wigton Advertiser 1894, there is a huge piece on the will of George Hardy of Pickering Lodge in Cheshire (so definitely our George). He was a very wealthy man. In one of his bequests he leaves Maria Critchfield and her children 400 shares of £10 each in the Crown Brewery. So George is definitely our man.
I cannot thank you all enough, Louisa Maud, Ladyhawk and Mabel. Thank you so much for helping me get to grips with this really complicated family. I have ordered a copy of Maria's will, so I will leave this thread open and update you on that as soon as it arrives.
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Having just purchased a full subscription to a newspaper archive, I have just found some newspaper articles relating to Maria Critchfield. These finally answer some nagging questions for us. If you have a newspaper subscription you may be able to view these in their entirety. But in short:
Eliza Roberts was Maria's stage name during her singing career. There is a fabulous article in the London Morning Post dated 4th April 1873, where she takes 'The Great Vance' to court for breach of contract. It states in the article that her stage name is Eliza Roberts. So Eliza/Elise is definitely who we thought she was.
And then in the Wigton Advertiser 1894, there is a huge piece on the will of George Hardy of Pickering Lodge in Cheshire (so definitely our George). He was a very wealthy man. In one of his bequests he leaves Maria Critchfield and her children 400 shares of £10 each in the Crown Brewery. So George is definitely our man.
I cannot thank you all enough, Louisa Maud, Ladyhawk and Mabel. Thank you so much for helping me get to grips with this really complicated family. I have ordered a copy of Maria's will, so I will leave this thread open and update you on that as soon as it arrives.
Thank you for letting us know - I'm so pleased it's all coming together for you - can't wait for the update! :)
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And then in the Wigton Advertiser 1894, there is a huge piece on the will of George Hardy of Pickering Lodge in Cheshire (so definitely our George). He was a very wealthy man. In one of his bequests he leaves Maria Critchfield and her children 400 shares of £10 each in the Crown Brewery. So George is definitely our man.
I had not come across the 1894 article (details on F M P )
Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser 17 April 1894 - a snippet
Bequeaths to widow an annuity of £2,000 reduced to £1, 000 if she marries again,
Eldest son Thomas £40,000 .
He set apart £30,000 each for his sons Fred & Harry and £30,000 his brother Joseph
£2,000 sister Mrs Rose.
£100 each to executors Mr Josiah LONGDEN, Mr Joseph HARDY, Mr Thomas LEES & Mr Wilkes, with £25 per annum for their services.
A Few minor legacies, residue goes to his two infant sons on their attaining the age of 25 years.
GEORGE HARDY was formerly proprietor of the Dog Inn Deansgate, his licence was taken away and he was reduced to a penniless state. He was taken up by his brother HENRY he had a small brewing business and became a traveller. On the death of his brother a friend provided money to Mr George Hardy enabling him to buy the business.
In his hands the business rapidly increased, approx 7 years ago he disposed of it to a limited company for £600,000, a shrewd man of business, and was of a very genial disposition.
Edited to add
Found on F M P Newspapers Diss Express 10 August 1894
Will & Bequests snippet
Hardy’s Crown Brewery Company (Limited)
wife Ada Elizabeth Hardy
Son Samuel gold watch
Son Thomas & wife 400 debentures of £100 each of Hardy’s Crown Brewery Company
In trust for son Harry, his wife & family 3000 shares of £10 each in Crown Brewery
Son Fred, his wife & family 3000 shares
His brother Joseph and sister Elizabeth Sarah each 300 shares sister Ellen 100 shares, niece Ada 200 shares of £10 each in the Crown Brewery
For Maria Critchfield and her children 400 shares of £10 each in the Crown Brewery.His residuary estate in trust in equal shares for all his children.
Not sure whether or not both these marriage entries were posted on the thread……
24th November 1886 Parish Church of Eccles Lancaster
George HARDY widower, Brewer, Bowden
father Joseph occ Gentleman
Ada Elizabeth ASQUITH spinster Pendleton
father Daniel occ Cashier
Ada E Hardy living Sussex 1939
4th July 1853 Parish Church of Eccles
George HARDY, bachelor occ Letter Press Printer, Raven? Pendleton
father Joseph, Publican
Elizabeth Ann LONGDEN spinster, Gould St., Pendleton
father Joseph, occ shop keeper
Elizabeth Ann HARDY buried 24 Apr 1886 (see reply 66)
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Wow, what I information
I still can't get notifications so I have missed recent replies so I dip in and out now and again, this info will give you a nice little tree to work on
Louisa Maud
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Have you got this, may be your
Ada Elizabeth Hardy,
died 24/02/1850, (D of B possibly 04/06/1866) of 101 Wick Hall
Furze Hill
Hove
Sussex
died at 12 Windlesham Road Brighton
Probate Lewes 18/07/1950 to The National Westminster Bank Ltd and Laura Gertrude Ackroyd
£14485:4s:8p
Louisa Maud
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Can one of you nice Rootschatters please make contact with me, my problem with BT night be solved but I need some notifications from Rootschatters please to convince me fully
Thank you
Louisa Maud
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Post as requested. I hope your problems are solved now.
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Looks as if I am OK on my Windows 7 but not so sure on my pad
Thank you for replying, will see how it goes but it has been since 19th and now I have numerous replies, yippee !!
Louisa Maud
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I received Marie/Eliza/Elise's will today. It's going to take me a while to give you all the details as it's 5 pages long!
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Good Luck
Louisa Maud
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It's taken me a while to decipher some of the writing and terms on the will, but I can tell you Marie/Eliza/Elise was one organised lady!! She covered just about every eventuality in her will. She left everything to her children. By 1918 she had purchased her own home, and was living very comfortably. In her will the item she was most insistent about was surprisingly not her money, jewellery or her home; but her Grandfather's oak clock.
Thank you Louisa Maud, Ladyhawk and Mabel for all of your time and hard work in getting to know this complex, but very interesting family ;D
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Glad you had good results
Louisa Maud
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In her will the item she was most insistent about was surprisingly not her money, jewellery or her home; but her Grandfather's oak clock.
Thank you for posting the details of the Will, aside from her children I guess her Grandfather was probably an important person to her....
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In her will the item she was most insistent about was surprisingly not her money, jewellery or her home; but her Grandfather's oak clock.
Thank you for posting the details of the Will, aside from her children I guess her Grandfather was probably an important person to her....
Thanks once again Ladyhawk. There is a whole page setting out just what should happen to the clock. It's a fascinating document.
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This is so interesting - I am just starting to research my family. My Great, Great Grandfather was William Thomas Critchfield. He was married to Emily who was born in Glasgow and their daughter was Jessie Matilda Critchfield who was my great grand mother. My Grandfather was called Raffaelle - I am assuming he is named after Jessies brother who was called Raffaelle Garbialdi. I am interested in why he was called such an unusual name.
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Welcome to Rootschat, Phillippalee.
This is a complicated thread and 3 years old now. At first, I thought you had just seen the Critchfield name but I see this in an early post:
He is William Thomas Critchfield b.1824 Bermondsey. He has occupations on the census of 'professional singer', 'musician', 'comedian and vocalist' amongst others. He marries Caroline M Winsland in Brixton 1845. They have one child, Ernest. Caroline dies in 1853. He marries Emily Jane Ryland in Scotland 1856. They have 2 children, Matilda Jessie and Raffaelle Garibaldi. Emily dies in late 1865.
As for the unusual name, there are hundreds of Garibaldi forenames in 1860s which I would imagine is due to the Italian patriot. I am not sure re Raffaelle.
Perhaps in his travels in entertainment, William came across Italian entertainers and like the name. :-\