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Title: More information about a marriage
Post by: Lisajb on Tuesday 14 January 20 20:26 GMT (UK)
I have found a marriage via the Victoria public records website that is of interest to me, but it looks as though there is no further information to be had unless I buy the certificate.  Could someone please confirm or suggest other sources of info?

The marriage is between Ruth Hicks and James Robert Davis in 1857.

Thanks
Lisa
Title: Re: More information about a marriage
Post by: jonwarrn on Tuesday 14 January 20 20:35 GMT (UK)
Announcement in The Age, 15 Dec 1857
On the 9th December, by license, by Mr. Mouritz, minister
of the Baptist Chapel, Prince's street, Collingwood, Mr James
Davis, second son of James Davis, tobacconist, late of Bristol,
to Ruth, eldest daughter of Mr Hicks, coach builder, Bristol,
England. Bristol papers please copy.
Here
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/154834642

Also in The Age, 16 Jan 1858 (next column!)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/154855841
Title: Re: More information about a marriage
Post by: Lisajb on Tuesday 14 January 20 20:45 GMT (UK)
That’s wonderful, thank you so much.
Title: Re: More information about a marriage
Post by: Lisajb on Tuesday 14 January 20 21:06 GMT (UK)
Sadly though it confirms she is not the lady I am looking for, as mine was not the eldest daughter, and her father was a felt hat maker, not a coach builder.

Thank you for your efforts
Title: Re: More information about a marriage
Post by: Ladyhawk on Tuesday 14 January 20 21:16 GMT (UK)
Sadly though it confirms she is not the lady I am looking for, as mine was not the eldest daughter, and her father was a felt hat maker, not a coach builder.

Do you have more information on your Ruth Hicks and we can see if we can help?

Where born? Parents names? Siblings?
Title: Re: More information about a marriage
Post by: Lisajb on Tuesday 14 January 20 21:25 GMT (UK)
Sadly though it confirms she is not the lady I am looking for, as mine was not the eldest daughter, and her father was a felt hat maker, not a coach builder.

Do you have more information on your Ruth Hicks and we can see if we can help?

Where born? Parents names? Siblings?

There were two Ruth Hicks born in Bitton/Oldland Gloucestershire in 1838. Mine has parents George (the felt hat maker, b1790) and Mary, and baptised 22 July 1838 in Oldland.

The other has parents Daniel and Elizabeth, and was baptised 3 April 1838.

Just to complicate things even more, there’s a 3rd Ruth Hicks b1839 in Bristol to William  and Mary Ann, and a 4th born 1843, although slightly further afield in Thornbury, Gloucestershire.

I definitely have my Ruth in 1841 and 1851 census with parents. There is a possibly in 1861, as a servant at the vicarage, but that could be the other Ruth.

I had a previous thread about her. I’ll just go and find it for reference.
Title: Re: More information about a marriage
Post by: Lisajb on Tuesday 14 January 20 21:28 GMT (UK)
Previous thread for reference
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=791977.msg6480239#msg6480239
Title: Re: More information about a marriage
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 15 January 20 07:31 GMT (UK)

There were two Ruth Hicks born in Bitton/Oldland Gloucestershire in 1838.
Mine has parents George (the felt hat maker, b1790) and Mary,
and baptised 22 July 1838 in Oldland.

The other has parents Daniel and Elizabeth, and was baptised 3 April 1838.

Just to complicate things even more, there’s a 3rd Ruth Hicks b1839 in Bristol to William  and Mary Ann, and a 4th born 1843, although slightly further afield in Thornbury, Gloucestershire.

I definitely have my Ruth in 1841 and 1851 census with parents.
There is a possibly in 1861, as a servant at the vicarage, but that could be the other Ruth.

I had a previous thread about her. I’ll just go and find it for reference.

Previous thread for reference
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=791977.msg6480239#msg6480239

For info.

This looks to be the Ruth that married in Australia

Ruth HICKS Age:19
Arrival Date:   20 Aug 1857 Melbourne, Australia
Departure Port:   Plymouth
Ship:   Undaunted
Nationality:   English and Welsh

To help others looking - your Ruth on

1851 census HO107/1944/71 p 37
Court Lane, Hamlet of Bitton, Keynsham, Gloucestershire
George   Hicks   Head   Hatter   Bitton, Gloucestershire
Mary   Hicks   Wife Hat Trimmer   Bitton, Gloucestershire
Ann Hicks   Daughter   Dressmaker   Bitton, Gloucestershire
Evan   Hicks   Son Ag Lab   Bitton, Gloucestershire
Phoebe Hicks Daughter   Bitton, Gloucestershire
Ruth Hicks Daughter   Bitton, Gloucestershire
Clement Hicks Son Bitton, Gloucestershire
Sidney Hicks Son   Bitton, Gloucestershire


There are also these marriages for a Ruth Hicks that can be ruled out due to father's name

To Henry John Jones at St James Bristol on 12 April 1865
Ruth’s father name is Edmund Hicks

To Wiliam Dunston on the 17th Oct 1868 at Richmond Surrey
Ruth’s father name is James Hicks

To William Haddrell at Holy Trinity Clifton Bristol on 12 Feb 1872
Ruth’s father name is James Hicks

Haven’t been able to find marriage details for these entries

Jun 1861               
HICKS   Ruth      Gower   11a   726
Howell   Edward      Gower   11a   726
Morgan   Daniel      Gower   11a   726
WALTERS   Matilda      Gower   11a   726

Sep 1863               
Hicks   Ruth      Bicester   3a   877
Perrott   William   Bicester   3a   877

This couple can be found on 1881 census

Piece:   2053 Folio:   44 Page Number:   1
William Perrott   40 Wiltshire Elementary Schoolmaster
Ruth Perrott   40 Bitton Gloucester, School mistress
Lelia Perrott   13 Great Billing Northamptonshire
Edith Perrott   10
Maud Perrott   7
Dora Perrott   4
Jessie Perrott   Younger Than 1

1871 census RG10; Piece: 1480; Folio: 11; Page: 16
gives Ruth’s pob Oldland Gloucester bn c 1840
Title: Re: More information about a marriage
Post by: Lisajb on Wednesday 15 January 20 08:01 GMT (UK)
Thank you. I think a certificate purchase or three may be called for, to rule in or out.
Title: Re: More information about a marriage
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 15 January 20 16:21 GMT (UK)
Sep 1863               
Hicks   Ruth      Bicester   3a   877
Perrott   William   Bicester   3a   877

This couple can be found on 1881 census

Piece:   2053 Folio:   44 Page Number:   1
William Perrott   40 Wiltshire Elementary Schoolmaster
Ruth Perrott   40 Bitton Gloucester, School mistress
Lelia Perrott   13 Great Billing Northamptonshire
Edith Perrott   10
Maud Perrott   7
Dora Perrott   4
Jessie Perrott   Younger Than 1

1871 census RG10; Piece: 1480; Folio: 11; Page: 16
gives Ruth’s pob Oldland Gloucester bn c 1840

I'm wondering if the above Ruth nee Hicks is the daughter of Daniel Hicks as on the 1851 census Ruth has a sister called Pamela.

The bpt. of William & Ruth PERROTT's daughter Lelia her middle name is Pamela
Title: Re: More information about a marriage
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 15 January 20 17:30 GMT (UK)

I definitely have my Ruth in 1841 and 1851 census with parents.

There is a possibly in 1861, as a servant at the vicarage, but that could be the other Ruth.


Not found this Ruth Hicks on 1871 census  :-\ so the question is has she married?

She can't be the Ruth Hicks that married in Australia as the marriage was in 1857
and if the
Ruth Hicks that married William Perrott in 1863 - a shame the marriage is not viewable on line to confirm if her father's name was Daniel.

Piece:   1698 Folio:   30 Page Number:   7
Bitton Village Vicarage   
Henry N Ellacombe   39 Vicar of Bitton
Emily A Ellacombe   28
Isabella C Nicholsen   23
Willmott H W Ellacombe   7
Mary W Ellacombe   5
Agnes W Ellacombe   4
Isabella H Ellacombe   2
Frances A Ellacombe   92
Rosaline Frond   20
Esther Love   20
Lucinda Wills   19
Ruth Hicks   22 Bitton Gloucestershire, Nurse Domestic Servant
Sophia Sindrey   14
William Wathen   13

A very strong possibility the above Ruth might be yours.



Title: Re: More information about a marriage
Post by: Lisajb on Wednesday 15 January 20 17:36 GMT (UK)
I’ve ordered the 1863 marriage certificate to rule in or out.

I have wondered about Ruth who is the domestic servant in 1861 - but if this is her, what happened to her afterwards?

For the marriages in Gower, I’ve found Edward together with Ruth, but in 1871 her place of birth is in Wales, so she’s ruled out.
Title: Re: More information about a marriage
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 15 January 20 17:39 GMT (UK)
You can also rule out this marriage in St Column Cornwall 8 Jun 1870
Ruth’s father RICHARD Hicks
Title: Re: More information about a marriage
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 15 January 20 17:54 GMT (UK)
There is this Ruth on 1881 census

RG11/2445/28 p1
Oldland Common High Street Bitton Gloucestershire

Ruth Harding   42 WidowSeamstress
George Harding   15
Alfred Harding   13
Gilbert Harding   11
Maurice Harding   4

the 1871 census gives Ruth's  her pob as Bromley Essex  ???
RG10/2499/18  p1

George Harding   28
Ruth Harding   31
George Daniel Harding   5 Bitton Gloucestershire
Alfred Edward Harding   3
Gilbert James Harding   1

Wondering if this is the marriage entry

Marriages Mar 1865 
Harding    George    Poplar    1c   954   
Hicks    Ruth        Poplar    1c   954   
Leeder    Maria            
Matthews    Susannah        
Matthews    Thomas   

ADDED - from GRO indexes

George Daniel HARDING mmn HICKS 
1866  M Quarter in POPLAR UNION  Volume 01C  Page 649
Title: Re: More information about a marriage
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 15 January 20 17:56 GMT (UK)
I’ve ordered the 1863 marriage certificate to rule in or out.

Please come back and let us know the result - fingers crossed she might be your Ruth  :)
Title: Re: More information about a marriage
Post by: Lisajb on Wednesday 15 January 20 18:06 GMT (UK)
Estimated despatch date is 20th January.

Title: Re: More information about a marriage
Post by: Lisajb on Wednesday 22 January 20 17:23 GMT (UK)
The certificate arrived today - and the father of this Ruth is Daniel Hicks.

Back to the drawing board  ???  :-X
Title: Re: More information about a marriage
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 22 January 20 18:29 GMT (UK)
The certificate arrived today - and the father of this Ruth is Daniel Hicks.

Back to the drawing board  ???  :-X

 :(

It's a shame the 1865 marriage in Poplar to George Harding is not available to view on line (reply 13)
Title: Re: More information about a marriage
Post by: Lisajb on Wednesday 22 January 20 19:02 GMT (UK)
There is this Ruth on 1881 census

RG11/2445/28 p1
Oldland Common High Street Bitton Gloucestershire

Ruth Harding   42 WidowSeamstress
George Harding   15
Alfred Harding   13
Gilbert Harding   11
Maurice Harding   4

the 1871 census gives Ruth's  her pob as Bromley Essex  ???
RG10/2499/18  p1

George Harding   28
Ruth Harding   31
George Daniel Harding   5 Bitton Gloucestershire
Alfred Edward Harding   3
Gilbert James Harding   1

Wondering if this is the marriage entry

Marriages Mar 1865 
Harding    George    Poplar    1c   954   
Hicks    Ruth        Poplar    1c   954   
Leeder    Maria            
Matthews    Susannah        
Matthews    Thomas   

ADDED - from GRO indexes

George Daniel HARDING mmn HICKS 
1866  M Quarter in POPLAR UNION  Volume 01C  Page 649

In 1881 this Ruth’s POB is given as Oldland Common, Oldland and Bitton are very close together.
I think I may have to order this marriage certificate as well...
Title: Re: More information about a marriage
Post by: jmj9 on Sunday 19 June 22 15:35 BST (UK)
For anyone interested in Bitton/Oldland family and local history, there is a Bitton History Group website. The village is about 6 miles from both Bristol and Bath, in South Gloucestershire. There is also a Facebook group called Hanham, Longwell Green, Oldland and Bitton memories which includes old photos of the area, reference to items found in newspapers and archives, more about Ellacombe and the vicarage, and also felt hat making in the area. Kingswood Heritage Museum is another source, as are Gloucester and Bristol Archives, and occasionally records in Somerset Archives as area came under Keynsham Union workhouse at one stage.