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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Kandi Burns on Tuesday 07 January 20 01:02 GMT (UK)
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Hello I am looking for information on how these two deceased people connect are they brother, cousins or...
. Basil Charles Douglas Walsh -who is my great grandfather who died in 1910\11 dates differ depending where your looking who was married to Vera Brown also deceased and John William Henry Walsh died 25th January 1919 in new Zealand and was married to a Louise Walsh also deceased. any help that I could get I would greatly appreciate it :) :)
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Hi Kandi,
Perhaps you have further details about Basil and about John. I have many questions, but perhaps the following ones are a good starting point.
:) From Basil's marriage certificate who were recorded as his parents? When and where did that marriage take place?
:) From John's marriage certificate who were recorded as his parents? When and where did that marriage take place?
JM
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Hello I am looking for information on how these two deceased people connect are they brother, cousins or...
. Basil Charles Douglas Walsh -who is my great grandfather who died in 1909 who was married to Vera Brown also deceased and John William Henry Walsh died 25th January 1919 in new Zealand and was married to a Louise Walsh also deceased. any help that I could get I would greatly appreciate it :) :)
Hi Kandi,
Please can you check your information. The National Archives of Australia has a WWII service record for a Basil Charles Douglas WALSH, TX 3222 nok as Vera Walsh, but his dob is 4 July 1911
ADD Here is the nominal roll listing
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?ServiceId=A&VeteranId=779922
JM
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sorry JM I forgot to put 1909-1911 as different sites have him down as different dates.
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Basil's parents where Malcolm Walsh and Ada Jacobson and basil married in Tasmania. but all I know on john is his name and when he died and who is wife was.
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Kandi, your post has Basil as DIED in 1909
JM
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I just edited it JM
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Hello I am looking for information on how these two deceased people connect are they brother, cousins or...
. Basil Charles Douglas Walsh -who is my great grandfather who died in 1910\11 dates differ depending where your looking who was married to Vera Brown also deceased and John William Henry Walsh died 25th January 1919 in new Zealand and was married to a Louise Walsh also deceased. any help that I could get I would greatly appreciate it :) :)
Kandi, I cannot help you further. You see, I believe your Basil was BORN in 1911, and that he DIED in 1977. Original source likely to be transcriptions held by the Genealogical Society of Tasmania Inc.
Basil Charles WALSH died 21 May 1977, spouse Vera (dec'd) ... his remains are in the Bishopsbourne Navity Anglican Cemetery, Longford, Launceston, - L001/04016.
JM
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There is also another Basil Charles Douglas WALSH, born 4 July 1910, Launceston Tas, enlisted Fort Pierson, his NOK as Elvie. His service no. TX10669. Perhaps he is the same chap as TX3222.
WWII nominal roll
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?ServiceId=A&VeteranId=785175
You may need to obtain the Service Files from the National Archives of Australia, to go through and compare the files.
JM
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Also note Vera's death notice
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article25925974
"WALSH - on May 5, 1942, at Hobart, Vera, dearly beloved wife of Basil C. D. Walsh of Oatlands (late machine gunner A.I.F. 1941) aged 30 years"
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Hello I am looking for information on how these two deceased people connect are they brother, cousins or...
. Basil Charles Douglas Walsh -who is my great grandfather who died in 1910\11 dates differ depending where your looking who was married to Vera Brown also deceased and John William Henry Walsh died 25th January 1919 in new Zealand and was married to a Louise Walsh also deceased. any help that I could get I would greatly appreciate it :) :)
Kandi, I cannot help you further. You see, I believe your Basil was BORN in 1911, and that he DIED in 1977. Original source likely to be transcriptions held by the Genealogical Society of Tasmania Inc.
Basil Charles WALSH died 21 May 1977, spouse Vera (dec'd) ... his remains are in the Bishopsbourne Navity Anglican Cemetery, Longford, Launceston, - L001/04016.
JM
Headstone photo: https://www.northernmidlands.tas.gov.au/council/services/cemeteries-burial-database?surname=Walsh&firstname=&cemetery=0&submit=Search
Jamjar
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Obit for Vera, 3rd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article91519378
Jamjar
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Is this Basil's brother? Also named Lloyd Thomas WALSH?
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article69054466
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Never ever trust a submitted tree.... :)
According to FOUR submitted trees, Vera BROWN, wife of Basil Charles Douglas WALSH ... errr ... ummm.... according to those trees, Vera was born in Tasmania in 1816, and she died at age 125 years... in 1941 in Tasmania. Basil and Vera had FIVE children, three are likely to be still living
JM
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John married Louisa Amelia Singer, in 1873, bottom of 1st column:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article200372860
Jamjar
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John William Henry WALSH birth 4 May 1850, registered Hobart, #3681.
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https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD32-1-3-p647j2k
JM
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NZ cemetery records
Canterbury North Central
John William, husb of Louise WALSH, d 25 Jan 1919 a 68. Also Louise, wife of above, d 22 Oct 1925, a 77.
NZ BDM
John William Henry WALSH, aged 68 years #1919/1839
Louisa Amelia WALSH, aged 77 years #1925/7060
JM
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John William Henry WALSH birth 4 May 1850, registered Hobart, #3681.
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https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD32-1-3-p647j2k
JM
Possible death of his mother, aged 24, 1st column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article226468065
Sibling of Johns: 1851 Rebecca Sophia Walsh folks John and Rebecca (Fisher)
Marriage of folks:
Name: Fisher, Rebecca
Record Type: Marriages
Gender:Female
Age:19
Spouse:Welsh, John
Gender:Male
Age:28
Date of marriage:25 Jul 1849
Registered:Hobart
Registration year:1849
Record ID:
NAME_INDEXES:839370
Jamjar
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Basil's parents where Malcolm Walsh and Ada Jacobson and basil married in Tasmania. but all I know on john is his name and when he died and who is wife was.
Ada Jane JACOBSON aged 18 married Malcolm WALSH aged 29, 17 November 1898, registered Launceston Tasmania.
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD37-1-60p120j2k
Malcolm's father was a farmer, named John WALSH, and Malcolm's mother was Flora, with a maiden name of Douglas as per the image of the marriage cert attached. .... Baptist ceremony.
JM
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A lass named as Flora DOUGLAS arrived in Tasmania 21 July 1857, aged 28, per the Forest Monarch
https://stors.tas.gov.au/CB7-12-1-7$init=CB7-12-1-7p165j2k
A Flora DOUGLASS married a John WALSH on 21 October 1849. She was 30, and a spinster, he was 49 and a widower.
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD37-1-18p375j2k
JM
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Watch the spelling.
Robert John WELCH, born 8 November 1860, registered Morven.... parents as John WELCH and Flora DOUGLAS
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-38p772j2k
JM
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Possible birth for Malcolm WALSH (married 1898 aged 29)
Given Name not recorded ... a Male
parents as John WELSH a farmer, and Flora DOUGLAS
date of birth recorded as 13 Jan 1868
Registered Morven.
Image : https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-46p399j2k
JM
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Hi Kandi,
Perhaps you have further details about Basil and about John. I have many questions, but perhaps the following ones are a good starting point.
:) From Basil's marriage certificate who were recorded as his parents? When and where did that marriage take place?
:) From John's marriage certificate who were recorded as his parents? When and where did that marriage take place?
JM
Digitised image of Vera and Basil's marriage has been freely available online since at least 29 October 2019.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2S1-GVPC
Basil Charles Douglas Walsh and Vera Annie Brown, 09 Jan 1930; citing Marriage, Hobart, Tasmania, Australia, The Tasmanian Archive and Heritage Office, Hobart; FHL microfilm 100,698,204.
The image includes the following endorsement in the handwriting of the officiating officer from the Tasmanian Registrar Generals Office :
Basil Charles Douglas Walsh and the said Vera Annie Brown are both under the age of Twenty-one years, but the written consent of parents whose consent to the said marriage is by law required has been duly obtained.
JM
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Where did I get the name Lloyd Thomas WALSH? Did I imagine it?
Kandi, have you edited your post where you named Basil's father? As a courtesy, and for clarity, it is always a good idea to let people know when you modify a post, usually by making an addendum at the bottom of the post.
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I don't recall any mention of any Lloyd Thomas in the opening post in either of its iterations, but I fully support Maddy's comments re annotating posts that are subject to modification. I read the newspaper cutting and there is a mention of Mr Basil Walsh among the mourners.
Is this Basil's brother? Also named Lloyd Thomas WALSH?
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article69054466
I may have distracted Kandi early on in the thread re my concerns about Basil and I am not yet sure if Kandi has confirmed that 'her' great grandfather Basil did not die 1909/1911. I think he is the lad who married Vera in January 1930.
JM
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Supreme Court of Tasmania, Ecclesiastical Jurisdiction. (Probate Court) - Intestacy.
15105, pg 205. (Sorry, I am not familiar with Tasmanian Probate Files, hope that is sufficient for referencing and locating)
Basil Charles Douglas WALSH of Glendale, Bishopsbourne, Tasmania, Retired Cook, died 21 May 1977, intestate
8 September 1977 Letters of Administration (as he died intestate, ie without a valid will), so the court granted the Admon to the lawful daughter of the deceased (named and further identified by her then address).
I have refrained from typing up her name, as she may well be still living, and likely born 1930s. I can see her with her husband in the 1960s, on various electoral rolls in Tasmania (same address as on the Admon file.) This couple may well be our OP's living grandparents.
https://www.findmypast.com.au/articles/glossary-of-probate-terms
Admon - If a person died without leaving a will (intestate), someone (usually a relative) could apply to the probate court for a grant of administration, which would allow them to deal with the estate. Also called Letters of Administration
JM
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May be of interest https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/LKZ8-B3P/malcolm-walsh-1868
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May be of interest https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/LKZ8-B3P/malcolm-walsh-1868
Yes, and they include their submitter's name too....
They have their Basil Charles Douglas WALSH 1909-1977.
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Many thanks cupoflife, I have not previously investigated that Section of that website. Needless to say, it is great to find new avenues in this hobby.
FURTHER ADD - about 2 hours after this reply was first posted...
My elderly rellies have phoned me to note that there has been some changes in the last half hour or so ... apparently you can quickly delete entries too. I note that it is fascinating and confusing and very disappointing to those who have spent their working careers in accurately creating and carefully recording official records, preserving them, and archiving them.
JM
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The information that I have on my great grandfather Basil Charles Douglas Walsh that I know is correct is that he married Vera on the 9 January 1930 in Hobart, and that he died on the 12 July 1977 at Railway Cottage Bishopsbourne, Tasmania, Australia and that he was a retired cook, his birthday is 12 July but year I am unsure of some say 1909,1910,1911 so am still trying to work out correct year. and some that I have read say that my great grandmother Vera lived to be something like 125 but from what I know she died in her 30's from an illness? which is also what I am trying to sort out.
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The Mercury 9 May 1942 p2
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/25898371?
Obituary for Vera WALSH.....born 30 years ago at Zeehan....
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:) :) Yes, that would be supporting Maddy's post too
Also note Vera's death notice
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article25925974
"WALSH - on May 5, 1942, at Hobart, Vera, dearly beloved wife of Basil C. D. Walsh of Oatlands (late machine gunner A.I.F. 1941) aged 30 years"
I presume Kandi has now read through the entire thread several times and is now confirming that their opening post has misleading information in it particularly about Basil's likely death years. I gather that Kandi is also now confirming the research that several of us have undertaken to help advance their quest to see if Basil and John are brothers/cousins or somehow have a shared ancestor.
The information that I have on my great grandfather Basil Charles Douglas Walsh that I know is correct is that he married Vera on the 9 January 1930 in Hobart, and that he died on the 12 July 1977 at Railway Cottage Bishopsbourne, Tasmania, Australia and that he was a retired cook, his birthday is 12 July but year I am unsure of some say 1909,1910,1911 so am still trying to work out correct year. and some that I have read say that my great grandmother Vera lived to be something like 125 but from what I know she died in her 30's from an illness? which is also what I am trying to sort out.
May I share some jottings from my scribbling pad :
:) I think that Basil enlisted and then was discharged when Vera became ill, and then re-enlisted after her death. Perhaps their five young children may have been separated while he continued to serve, and perhaps over the years their descendants have become strangers to each other.
:) I doubt that Basil was a close relative to John who died in NZ in 1919.
:) Earlier I mentioned that some of Basil and Vera's offspring may well be still alive. I have not found anything to contradict my thoughts on that, and so I suggest we all continue to be mindful of the rights of living Australians to the lawful expectation to privacy of the individual. :) On the other hand, I am sure we all understand the importance of seeking the medical history of our close relatives in case there may be issues that may impact on our own lives. So, of course, whether a person was born on 4th July or the 12th July and in 1909 or 1910 or 1911 has very little significance to any medical history briefings, and it is unlikely that any family historian would squabble over whether the date of birth would be 4 or 12 July or 1909 or 1910 or 1911. But, I think it is good to know that Kandi recognises that her Basil did not DIE 1909\1911.
And, finally to address two aspects of Kandi's reply #28 :
https://www.justice.tas.gov.au/bdm/researching-family-trees
Basil's date of birth will be on Basil's birth certificate.
Vera's cause of death will be on Vera's death certificate.
http://www.jaunay.com/bdm.html
JM
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The image of the civil registration of the birth of Basil is here:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C95P-49YJ?i=116&cc=2400177&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQ244-VNM5
He was born 12 July 1909.
May I mention also that his date of death is recorded on the Admon file.
So the Supreme Court of Tasmania recognised his date of death as 21 May 1977.
ADD, I have not located any image of Vera's d.c. so Kandi may have to purchase it to learn the cause/s of death.
JM
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yes that is what I have been doing JM and I know of one of their children that is still alive which is my grandmother. I have been in touch with a relative who is the granddaughter of Vera I think, Still working it out.
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Hello I cant seem to find the post with Vera's death in it could someone please help me out with it so i can fill in this form I have for her record n cause of death certificate.
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reply #9 and reply #29 - 1942