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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kincardineshire => Topic started by: Cadnant on Monday 06 January 20 20:48 GMT (UK)
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Hello All,
I have hit a dead end researching Mina Henry or Hendry Thomson. Married surname McIntosh. She was born around 1880, possibly in Kindcardineshire or Forfarshire.
I am aware she died in Auchterarter in 1952 and was Married in 1911 in Montrose, and that she had one child Robert H McIntosh born 21st March 1912 in Edzell.
Apart from this I am stumped. This is partly due to her mother being named as Annie Thomson on the marriage certificate, which becomes Margaret on the death certificate.
I have tried variations of her first name such as Willamina etc but to no avail.
If anyone could help I would be extremely grateful.
Thanks in advance.
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On what date in 1911 was she married, and what was her address at the time of her marriage?
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She was married on 24 June 1911.
Married at Burnetts Hall, Montrose. Mina is described as a domestic servant, spinster aged 30 of 20 Victoria Street, Montrose. The daughter of Annie Thomson, domestic servant.Deceased.
She married ,Charles John McIntosh Hay, gamekeeper, widower aged 29, of Caldwell Cottage , Edzell. The son of Janet McHardy Hay, domestic servant. Deceased.
Thanks.
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Have you checked for a marriage for her mother - I know the 1952 death cert still shows her as Thomson.
If her mother married - she may be under her mothers married name in censuses. I am assuming you can’t find a birth for her
Do you have any actual proof she was born in Scotland?
Who were the witnesses on the 1911 marriage cert
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She was married on 24 June 1911.
Married at Burnetts Hall, Montrose. Mina is described as a domestic servant, spinster aged 30 of 20 Victoria Street, Montrose. The daughter of Annie Thomson, domestic servant.Deceased.
Have you found her in the 1911 census?
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There is this 1881 census entry:
Ann Thomson 38 pauper b. Premnay
Maggie Mitchell 16
Williamina H Thomson 11 Months
Address: Poor House, Premnay Aberdeenshire
www.workhouses.org.uk/Premnay/Premnay1881.shtml#Inmates
More details here http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Premnay/
Monica
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Good find Monica :)
I looked in Kincardine and Forfarshire late last night but gave up!
One of the transcripts that I've looked at has Ann as unmarried. Both born Aberdeenshire,
Gadget
(sorry - see you have the unmarried status on the workhouse site)
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From the census record Monica has posted possible birth
Williamina Hen Thomson 1880 Premnay Aberdeenshire
1891 census Broadfoot Premnay Aberdeenshire
Maggie Mitchell age 26 outdoor worker
Williamina Thomson age 10 born Premnay H/sister
Robert Robertson age 8 son of Maggie Mitchell
Frederick M Brewster age 3 son of Maggie Mitchell
George Mitchell age 3 nephew
Annie Clark 10 ,Mary Clark 5 both boarders
Rosie
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1871 Premnay
Ann Thomson, 30, / unm, pauper and stocking knitter, b. Aberdeenshire
Margaret Mitchell, d, 6 b. do
Mary Emslie, d. 4. b. do
Gadget
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Williamina H Thomson, birth, Premnay 1880.
Margaret Thomson, mother Ann Thomson, father not named, birth Premnay 10 April 1864.
1871 Census, Premnay: Ann Thomson, 30, unmarried, pauper and stocking knitter, born Premnay; Maggie Mitchell, daughter, 6 and Mary Emslie, daughter, 4.
Mary Thomson, mother Ann Thomson, father not named, birth Premnay 10 June 1866.
There's also a Margaret Ann Emslie, parents William Emslie and Ann Thomson, born Tarland and Migvie 5 April 1868, who might be worth investigating. This couple, however, were married in Tarland and Migvie on 8 June 1867, so it may be a coincidence of names.
1851 Census, Premnay: William Thompson, mason, 48, born Inverurie; wife Margaret, 46, born Oyne; Helen, 18; John, 16; Ann, 20; Margaret, 8; Mary, 3; all children born Premnay. Looks like the family of William Thomson and Margaret Leslie, married 28 January 1832 at Oyne.
Margaret Leslie or Thomson, mother's surname Benzie, died in Premnay in 1869 aged 64.
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1901 census Wilhemina Thomson age 20
Working as a kitchenmaid domestic at Invercauld Arms Glenmuick Aberdeenshire
Rosie
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There is a death for Ann Thomas age 45 in 1883 Premnay Aberdeenshire
Scotland's People
Rosie
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1901 census Wilhemina Thomson age 20
Working as a kitchenmaid domestic at Invercauld Arms Glenmuick Aberdeenshire
***** transcriptions again! The full and proper name of this registration district is Glenmuick, Tullich and Glengairn. It covers a great swathe of land roughly centred on Ballater.
Specifically, it doesn't include Braemar so it can't be the obvious Invercauld Arms Hotel, at Braemar, which is in the parish of Crathie and Braemar. An online search will suggest that there is an Invercauld Arms Hotel in Ballater, but this is not true; it is the same one in Braemar, the post code for which is linked to the post code of Ballater.
If you want to find out exactly where this Invercauld Arms is, you would have to look at the census images and note the names of other nearby places.
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Sorry I posted ::) ::)
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Sorry I posted ::) ::)
That wasn't what I meant at all. I was (yet again) annoyed by the transcriptions that don't include all the information that is in the original source. You were perfectly correct to post it because it is useful and relevant, and I am sorry if I inadvertently offended.
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Thank you everyone, especially Forfarian for your help with this. I spent most of yesterday evening researching Mina. Thanks for all the wee tips, and some great finds.
I had seen the Wilhemina H Thomson in Premnay previously, and wasn`t sure if she was/is the right one (She would have been my Great Granny). I`m now pretty sure this is the same person.
Why she started to use the name Mina in official documents from the time of her marriage is a mystery, although there may be a child involved somewhere.......maybe a Donald, who emigrated to America, or died in WW1?
I posted in this forum as she had a Montrose address at the time of her marriage. But I was told as a child that she was from Kincardineshire, but Aberdeenshire is close enough.......but then I traced her half sister, Maggie Mitchell and find her in Banchory ! BINGO !
I`m of the opinion that Maggie Mitchell`s son Frederick Brewster (1901 census) is the Frederick Skene on Mina`s marriage certificate. This as Maggie Mitchell married a William Skene.
Incidentally, William Skene was born in Culsalmond, where Charles John McIntosh Hay was married for the 1st time. It seems that William had later lived in Premnay at the same time as Maggie and Mina.
I have since found Mina in the 1911 census, for Bognor Regis, Surrey. Whereby she is a cook in the service of a retired Lt Colonel. There was tale she had been cook for Sir Henry Campbell Bannerman, but this may just be a tall tale.
My mission now is to try and trace Ann Thomson - Mina`s mother.
Thanks again.
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The Monaltrie hotel in Ballater which is now flats has been called The Invercauld in the past. It is refererred to in various local publications but with scant information. David Jamieson and Stewart Wilson refer to it on page 33 in 'Old Deeside Ways ' I think it may have started life as the Monaltrie, had its name changed to the Invercauld and back to the Monaltrie.
The hotel sits right on the river beside the bridge to the South Deeside Road. It was a sizeable establishment.
I think you have made progress since I started this post but wont delete it as you may find it useful. I hope it doesn't appear twice. I don't post very often and always seem to have technical problems.