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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Down => Topic started by: Elaine-R on Sunday 29 December 19 17:14 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I’m doing research into the Martin Family from Hollymount, Downpatrick.
My GG grandmother was Sarah Martin ( no DOB ).
She had a son David b 6 April 1875,Woodgrange, Hollymount, Downpatrick, no father listed on birth records.
David married Eliza Cochrane 14 May 1895. Eliza died 13 July 1902, they had no children.
David remarried in June 1903 to Margaret Ann Maginnis. David and Margaret Ann had 6 children
William James ( my grandfather ) b 12 June 1904
Alexander b 22 Nov 1905 d 18 Jan 1906
John b 16 July 1907 d 2 Dec 1907
Sarah b 22 June 1908
David b 2 Feb 1910
Jeannie b 13 Oct 1914.
On both of David’s marriage certificates it states John Ferris as father.
I’m trying to find out more on Sarah my GG grandmother, did she marry John Ferris or did she marry someone else, I’ve searched marriage records but can find nothing.
I did my DNA November 2018 but hasn’t really helped with information on the Martin family. I did find out that David b 2 Feb 1910 married a cousin Ellen Neill Killyleagh, her mother was Anna Maria Martin b 17 Jan 1870 in Hollymount, Downpatrick and Anna’s father a John Martin b about 1843.
Hoping someone can help 🤞
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Woodgrange townland sits above Hollymount Townland ie estate in the NW corner of Down civil parish GEOGRAPHY
checked Tithes Applotment Books see irish genealogy hub, , no Martins in either of above
checked Griffiths Valuation quick index https://www.failteromhat.com
Martin John Woodgrange Down Down
Martin John Hollymount Down Down
Martin Eliza Woodgrange Down Down
Martin William Woodgrange Down Down
no Ferris recorded
detail and map ref showing house boundary use http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index. i would suggest searching the continuation valuation books at PRONI under Woodgrange and Hollymount in Down parish perhaps she took over her home from one of the above 4 names.
I checked Davids birth record in case its useful to you the birth was registered 1st June 1875 with her mark. you can acquire an official copy of entry
Good luck
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Many thanks BallyaltikilliganG 😊
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Both in Down Civil Parish and border each other.
Woodgrange
https://www.townlands.ie/down/lecale-upper/down/woodgrange/
Hollymount
https://www.townlands.ie/down/lecale-upper/down/hollymount/
KG
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Griffiths Valuation
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml
KG
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David’s birth registration is online (free)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1875/03106/2138980.pdf
As you say. Father listed as John Ferris on both marriages-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1895/10524/5833290.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1903/10234/5724507.pdf (witness: William Martin)
Might be worth searching for William Martin to see if and how he’s related.
There were several Ferris families in Woodgrange/Hollymount- again, worth searching further.
I also checked births & deaths of David’s children in case David’s mother Sarah was informant but no such luck.
1. William James Martin (12 June 1904)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01820/1712046.pdf
2. Alexander Johnston Martin (22 Nov.1905-18 Jan.1906)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1905/01766/1695244.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1906/05574/4565316.pdf
3. John Martin (16 July 1907-2 Dec.1907)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1907/01691/1671549.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1907/05517/4546188.pdf
4. Sarah Elizabeth Martin (22 June 1908)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1908/01659/1661571.pdf
5. David Martin (2 Feb.1910) m. cousin Ellen Neill, Killyleagh, d/o Anna Maria Martin
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1910/01586/1638139.pdf
6. Jeannie Martin (13 Oct.1914)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01398/1574886.pdf (Jane)
Note that eldest daughter was Sarah Elizabeth. This may be significant.
I did find an illegitimate child (Sarah Edgar) born 1879 to an unmarried Sarah Martin- she may or may not be David’s mother.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1879/02900/2062430.pdf
see next post...
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Now, no proof this is David’s family but…
___ Martin
1. Eliza Martin (c1837-1907)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Hollymount/Woodgrange/1228564/
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1907/05542/4554267.pdf (informant- nephew John Martin)
1. Sarah Martin (c1866/c1861-aft.1911)
2. Sarah Martin (c1839/c1834-aft.1911)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Hollymount/Woodgrange/1228563/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Hollymount/Woodgrange/237872/
1. Anne Martin (c1866-aft.1911)
1. Lizzie Martin (c1895-aft.1911)
2. Annie Martin (c1897-aft.1911)
2. John Martin (c1887-aft.1911), son of Tom Ferguson, m. Elizabeth Nesbitt
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1911/09936/5612347.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Hollymount/Woodgrange/237873/
Ages in census could be out - wondering if Eliza's daughter Sarah was David's mother (pure speculation at this point). However, there are other Sarah Martin's of a possible age in the area-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1878/020525/7202652.pdf (Sarah Martin, 26, spinster)
Sarah Martin, 30, d.1875 (certificate not yet online)
Sarah Martin, Killyleagh, d/o John Martin, m.(1883 Killinchy Presbyterian Church) James Heaney https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1883/10939/5997704.pdf
Might be worth looking at church records (note religions in census records), school registers (possibly in PRONI, Belfast)
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I did find out that David b 2 Feb 1910 married a cousin Ellen Neill Killyleagh, her mother was Anna Maria Martin b 17 Jan 1870 in Hollymount, Downpatrick and Anna’s father a John Martin b about 1843.
5. David Martin (2 Feb.1910) m. cousin Ellen Neill, Killyleagh, d/o Anna Maria Martin
Here’s the marriage in 1936.
M/1936/D1/1340/3/71 David Martin & Ellen Neill 7th August 1936 Down
From: https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/
KG
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Thank you all for your information on the Martins.
Only getting back into doing my research again from December. You all have give areas and names to search.
Thank you all, your help is much appreciated,
Elaine