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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Armagh => Topic started by: Ian Sumpter on Friday 27 December 19 01:25 GMT (UK)
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Greetings, I am searching for any information (parents, siblings) on Samuel Matchett, thought to have been born in Co Armagh in ~1812. I believe that his wife's name was Elizabeth.
Family information indicates that Samuel and Elizabeth had five children born in Co Down (Tullylish?)between 1840 and ~1855. Their names include: Elizabeth, George Alexander, Sarah Jane, Margaret, and Isabella.
It appears that Samuel was a farmer and the family lived in Tullylish, Drumaran between 1863 and 1902. The 1901 Ireland census info that shows Samuel Matchett (88, b at Co Armagh), head, widower, farmer, living at Tullylish, Drumaran, Co. Down, with daughter Margaret Matchett (52, b in Co. Down), not married, and grand-daughter Florence Calder (13, b in Co. Down). Samuel was buried (age 89) at Tullylish/Drumaran, (Banbridge Dist) Co. Down, N. Ireland Sept qtr 1902.
thank you for your time and assistance.
cheers
Ian
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There are no Matchett farms listed in Tullylish in the tithe applotment records for 1827 – 1834.
http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/down/tithe-applotment-books/tullylish-parish.php
Daughter Margaret is shown as born in Co Down c 1848 so that probably narrows the time of Samuel's arrival in Drumaran to between 1834 and 1848.
Elizabeth Matchett died 23.7.1883 aged 71. Husband Samuel was the informant.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1883/06355/4823374.pdf
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For reference here's 1901 census-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Tullyish/Drumaran/1204133/
Samuel was buried (age 89) at Tullylish/Drumaran, (Banbridge Dist) Co. Down, N. Ireland Sept qtr 1902.
Think you mean died rather than buried- informant was son-in-law Robert McBride-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1902/05689/4603409.pdf
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.......and grand-daughter Florence Calder (13, b in Co. Down).
Florence Mabel born 1887 MMN Matchett (Sarah)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1887/02563/1947827.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/down/iveagh-lower-upper-half/tullylish/moyallan/
KG
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Co. Armagh in 1901 census as Samuel's county of birth might be a red herring. See how close Tullylish Parish is to the Down-Armagh border-
https://www.townlands.ie/down/tullylish/
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Would need full article to see if this is relevant-
Newry Reporter, 25 June 1903: … account in a far-off land, whither he and his family had emigrated; last summer I paid the final tribute of respect to Bro. Samuel Matchett, who, full of years, honoured and respected by the public, and beloved by his brethren in the Craft, was consigned to his last resting place in the neighbouring cemetery of Tullylish ...
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Wonder if Lizzie Wilson was a grandaughter ?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Tullyish/Drumaran/1204133/
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGCB-HYP
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yes Dathai, Lizzie Wilson was a grand-daughter, daughter of Elizabeth Matchett and William Wilson.
Thank you all for your responses. I have family geneology info leading up to Samuel Matchett. I am currently stumped at finding Samuel Matchett's birthplace (1812) and name of parents and siblings.
cheers
ian
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I am interested in your Matchett/Wilson connection. My hubby's Wilsons were in Derrylee, Co. Armagh ... an area where there were several Matchett families -- an Eliza Matchett was a neighbour and tenant to our Wilsons.
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hello Eileen, sorry do not see Wilson connection at this time. Elizabeth Matchett and William Wilson (son of Reid Wilson) married at Tullylish, Co Down, 5 Aug 1859.
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Hi Ian, I am a direct descendant of Samuel and Elizabeth Matchett, through their son George Alexander Matchett (c1842-15 July 1909). Samuel would be my 3x great-grandfather.
DNA testing and comparing of GedMatch suggests our Matchett's derive from the Tartaraghan parish area in northwest County Armagh.
Kind regards,
Lyle
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Hi Lyle, nice to meet you. My wife is the grand-daughter of Mary Matchett (1880-1965), daughter of George Alexander Matchett. We would be very interested in sharing geneological info.
Would you happen to know Elizabeth Matchett's maiden name and any other details?
thx
ian
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Hi, unfortunately I don't have any other information on Elizabeth other than her death record (23 Jul 1883, Drumaran, Tullylish, Down). I have found six children for Samuel so far, the one you are missing is Samuel James Matchett (between 1847-1850, died 25 Feb 1903, Sandown, Isle of Wight). He married Alice Emma Smith (1860s-19 May 1941, Brighton) of Norfolk and had one child Samuel Benjamin Matchett (c1899, Nottingham - 1906, Sandown, IoW). The connection is confirmed from a newspaper mention of Samuel James' death that states his father was Samuel of Drumaran. The reason for the places being all over England is from Samuel James being a commercial traveller, but appears to have been based in the IoW.
I'm descended from George's daughter Elizabeth (1884-1927), who'd be my great-grandmother. Married 14 Jan 1916, Belfast, to William A. B. Green, of Straid, Ballynure parish, though they afterwards lived in Whitewell, Carnmoney parish.
In regards to George Alexander Matchett and his wife Jane Davison, according to Jane in the 1911 census she had 11 children of which 1 had died. I have civil records for all 11 children and none of them are called Mary. Their first child was born in 1880 but was recorded as Elizabeth, however as they had a second child called Elizabeth in 1884 it would appear the first one is the one that died before 1911.
I have a DNA account on GedMatch if you have a test done, to see what matches can be found?
Below is the information I have on George and his family:
George Alexander (c1842-15 Jul 1909, Belfast) married 8 Mar 1880, Armagh District Registrar's Office, to Jane Davison (c1861, Tullyhugh, Ballymore, Armagh-died 1933)
- Elizabeth (7 Jun 1880, Tullyhugh - died bef. 1884)
- Samuel James (15 Nov 1881, Tullyhugh) married Nellie Campbell, 14 Nov 1910, Bronx, NY, USA
- Elizabeth "Betty" (30 Jan 1884, Tullyhugh - 5 Nov 1927, Belfast) married 14 Jan 1916, Belfast, William A. Green. My great-grandparents.
- Margaret Jane (1 Aug 1886, Tullyhugh)
- William Joseph (12 Dec 1889, Tullyhugh)
- George Thomas (2 Jun 1892, Belfast - 8 Feb 1973, Ontario, Canada) married Dorothy McTeague, 24 May 1932, Niagara, NY, USA
- Robert Alexander (3 Apr 1895, Belfast - 12 May 1963, Los Angeles, CA, USA) married 24 Feb 1925, LA to Ellen Cecilia Davis
- Alice Emma (6 Nov 1897, Belfast) - married Robert Gibson, 6 Nov 1915, Belfast
- Hugh Norman (29 Sep 1900, Belfast), though seems to use Norman as forename
- Albert "Bertie" (13 Feb 1903, Belfast)
- Eileen (18 Jun 1904, Belfast) - married her sister Bessie's widowed husband on 28 Jan 1930
Having said that, that doesn't mean there wasn't a Mary. I have seen children registered as one name but with a different name in later records before and I don't have 1901 or 1911 census information for Margaret. Though I don't see a death record for her from the time of her birth (1886) to 1911, which means she may have gotten married, or she got married and died before 1911 but is recorded under that name, but again I find no applicable marriage records. So there is a mystery to unravel
[UPDATE:] Found the marriage record for your May and the 1911 census does give c1881 for year of birth. I note her sister Bessie, my great-grandmother, is living with her family and was her marriage witness!
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1901 N. Ireland census shows George A. Matchell (50, b in Co. Down), head, married, gen agent, living on Moyola St. Belfast, with wife Jane (40, b in Co. Armagh), mother-in-law Agnes Davidson (85), and children: May (20, b in Co. Armagh), single, sewing machine instructress; Samuel J. (19, b in Co. Armagh), single, pattern maker; Bessie (17, b in Co. Armagh), single, house keeping; Edlie (12), George J. (10, b in Co. Armagh), scholar; Robert A. (6, b in Co. Armagh); Alice (3, b in Co. Armagh); Norman H. (0, b in Co. Antrim);
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hi Lyle:
our May (Mary) Matchett is in the above 1901 N, Ireland census.
cheers
ian
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1901 N. Ireland census shows George A. Matchell (50, b in Co. Down), head, married, gen agent, living on Moyola St. Belfast, with wife Jane (40, b in Co. Armagh), mother-in-law Agnes Davidson (85), and children: May (20, b in Co. Armagh), single, sewing machine instructress; Samuel J. (19, b in Co. Armagh), single, pattern maker; Bessie (17, b in Co. Armagh), single, house keeping; Edlie (12), George J. (10, b in Co. Armagh), scholar; Robert A. (6, b in Co. Armagh); Alice (3, b in Co. Armagh); Norman H. (0, b in Co. Antrim);
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House 47 in Moyola Street (Duncairn Ward, Antrim).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Duncairn_Ward/Moyola_Street/959559/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000314407/
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[UPDATE:] Found the marriage record for your May and the 1911 census does give c1881 for year of birth. I note her sister Bessie, my great-grandmother, is living with her family and was her marriage witness!
Marriage 19 June 1901 to William Braithwaite Press.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1901/10306/5751446.pdf
1911 census
House 48 in Downshire Road (Hollywood Urban, Down).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Hollywood_Urban/Downshire_Road/233023/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002212030/
Note: Son Sidney born in South Africa.
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Elizabeth "Betty" (30 Jan 1884, Tullyhugh - 5 Nov 1927, Belfast) married 14 Jan 1916, Belfast, William A. Green.
Link-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1916/09765/5544580.pdf
To William Andrew Green at St Anne's Parish Church.
Children up to 1921-
John Alexander Russell Green 1917
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1917/01298/1537477.pdf
William Andrew Green 1920
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1920/01210/1503478.pdf
Collinward townland
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/belfast-lower/carnmoney/carnmoney/collinward/
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1901 N. Ireland census shows George A. Matchell (50, b in Co. Down), head, married, gen agent, living on Moyola St. Belfast, with wife Jane (40, b in Co. Armagh), mother-in-law Agnes Davidson (85), and children: May (20, b in Co. Armagh), single, sewing machine instructress; Samuel J. (19, b in Co. Armagh), single, pattern maker; Bessie (17, b in Co. Armagh), single, house keeping; Edlie (12), George J. (10, b in Co. Armagh), scholar; Robert A. (6, b in Co. Armagh); Alice (3, b in Co. Armagh); Norman H. (0, b in Co. Antrim);
Someone I'm talking too on the Matchett side but connected further out provided me the link last night. I was near a wits end trying to find them using various spellings of Matchett. Turns out that whoever the website transcriber was misread the census form for it clearly shows T's. I sent a correction request, so hopefully it'll be amended.
May's parents must have decided to rename her for some reason. Maybe a relation had died not long after she was born and they thought they would remember them that way? If so, if it was possible to identify them it might help find more connections or even Elizabeth's maiden name.
I was able to expand the May side to her children Adelaide, William and Phylis, along with Adelaide's son Brian Carter. Which line does your wife descend?
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Mabus: interestingly i have on May (Mary) Matchett is: born at Madden Bridge, Tangragee, Co Armagh, N. Ireland 7 Jun 1880 (baptised at Tullylish, Co Down 8 Aug 1880), died (age 85) at Victoria, BC, Canada, 26 May 1965 [buried at Royal Oak Burial Park, Victoria, BC]. May's birth date appears to be the same as Elizabeth's? - thus making them possible twins?.
May (mary) Matchett married William Braithwaite Press at Shankill, Belfast, N. Ireland 19 June 1901. They had 3 children:
1) Adelaide May Press, born at County Antrim, N. Ireland, 13 Mar 1902 ; died (age 73) at Victoria, B.C. 19 Aug 1973; married Henry (Harry) Carter (b at Bristol, Glouncestershire 1874, died at Toronto, Canada 28 June 1940; son of James and Mary Carter) at Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, 17 Sept 1926;
2) William Sydney Press born at South Africa, Oct 1905; died at Victoria, B.C. 1997; married to: 1) Kathleen Theresa Eby (born in Winnipeg, Manitoba, 20 April 1907, died (age 67) at Victoria, BC. 21 Oct 1974; daughter of Wellington Eby and Theresa Jane Trimble) at Winnipeg 8 Aug 1936; 2) Geraldine Myrtle Bewley (born at Wolsely, Saskatchewan, 9 Mar 1915, died (age 72) at Victoria, B.C. 26 Oct 1987; daughter of John A. Bewley and Adella Mitchell) at Dallas, Texas USA 23 Dec 1975 (age 60); and 3) Mary Brown.
3) Kathleen Phyllis Press , born Belfast, N. Ireland, 08 May 1907, died (age 64) at Victoria, BC, 30 Dec 1971 ; marriage to: 1) George Edward Wheeler (died 1936) at Winnipeg 9 Nov 1929; and 2) Mark Robert Knisley (b at Little Rock, Arkansas, USA 6 Jan 1912, died at Victoria, BC, 8 June 1991 ; son of Robert R. Knisley and Jeanette Steeden) at Steuben, Indiana, USA 14 June 1943
My wife is a Carter. Her father Brian Desmond Carter is the son (and only child) of Adelaide May Press and Harry Carter.
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Call me Lyle.
Madden Bridge would be in the townland of Tullyhugh. I had thought of a possible twin however the documentary evidence suggests otherwise. There are only 11 birth registration civil records for children of George and Jane, and in the 1911 census Jane states that she had had 11 children of which 10 where alive. So far I can find information on all children up to 1911 bar the first Elizabeth and Margaret Jane who was born on 1 Aug 1886. May fits Elizabeth perfectly so Margaret Jane must have been the one who died before 1911.
Looking into George's wife, Jane Davison's side I came across this http://history.davison.ca/ website and it would appear that our Davisons were involved in the production of linen from the early 1700s. A J. Davis (a by-name for Davison) in 1805 introduced damask linen production. Jane's father was Joseph Davison of Tullyhugh and this site mentions Joseph. They also provide a map based on the valuations from 1864 http://history.davison.ca/Images/DavisonLeasedLand1864.jpg which clearly shows Joseph's plot of land along with the Tandragee railway station and a hotel, the "Madden Inn Hotel" (it lay by the Madden River).
In Jane's parents marriage record Joseph is listed as a hotel keeper, so it is definitely one and the same. According to the valuation books held at PRONI, George Alexander Matchett took on the tenancy of the land and hotel in 1884 before a Joseph Gilpin took it on in 1891. This matches the time frame where the first half of George's children were born in Tullyhugh.
In Joseph's marriage record his father Robert is recorded as being a manufacturer tying it directly into the Davison's of the linen trade as referenced in that website. The site says Joseph rented out his house in Tullyhugh and the only applicable record I can find for a death of a Joseph Davison (under various alt spellings) is in Drumaran townland, the same townland Samuel Matchett's family lived, though through valuations it would appear he had land there from as early as the 1860s.
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Hi Lyle: many thanx for that info on Jane Davison's family. I have only the following data on Jane (as probably you do too): born at Co. Armagh 1862, died at Belfast 4 Apr 1922; daughter of Joseph and Agnes Davison). She married George Alexander Matchett at Belfast 18 Mar 1880.
It certainly would be nice to have more information on George's parents: Samuel (born in Co. Armagh 1812, died [age 89] at Tullylish, Dromarrin, Co. Down, N. Ireland 25 June 1902; and Elizabeth _ , born ~1812, died [age 71] at Drumaran, Tullylish, Down 23 Jul 1883.
Thanx again for all the helpful information, it certainly filled in some blanks.
cheers
ian
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Lyle, i have birth register of Elizabeth Matchett, b at Tullyhue 7 June 1880, and Baptism register of Mary Matchett born 7 June 1880. Give me your email address and i will forward copies. It's a mystery: same person or twins? Was the child originally named Elizabeth at birth (june 7 1880) and renamed Mary on date of Baptism Aug 8th 1880?
cheers
ian
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Hi Ian, i sent a DM. Interestingly I found a newspaper article that shows George Alexander Matchett applying for a spirit license for the Madden In in 1883. In another newspaper article, this time from 1889, a William Matchett is listed as licensee. George's son William was only born that year, so I may have found another brother (maybe cousin) of George.
This is quite fortunate as the other person I am talking too has evidence that suggests Samuel's father was a William Matchett. Parents and grandparents names were often carried on and of the six known children of Samuel I have, none were called William. This suggests there was indeed a sibling of that name. I will note that George had a son named William Joseph Matchett. Joseph is his wife's fathers name. William I am assuming is that of his grandfather. The only reason I can assume a name was given before the wife's father is if it was a direct descendant of the father. His eldest son Samuel James, would appear to be named straight after his father (I'm assuming he may have had James as middle name).
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I sent a correction request, so hopefully it'll be amended.
FYI I still submit them but I don't think anyone actually does anything since John Grenham's contract ended. If they get round to them any corrections to NAI don't automatically update on Ancestry and Findmypast's index, those are frozen in time.
John's observations:
https://www.johngrenham.com/blog/2019/03/25/my-census-correcting-comes-to-an-end/
https://www.johngrenham.com/blog/2017/11/20/census-correcting/
https://www.johngrenham.com/blog/2017/09/24/correcting-the-1901-and-1911/
https://www.irishgenealogynews.com/2017/09/john-grenham-starts-work-on-nais-irish.html