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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: RootsChat on Monday 07 July 03 14:23 BST (UK)
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Irelands National Police Website has lots of information if your ancester was in the Policeservice from the creation of the Police force to modern day mounted Police. The site even features it's own genealogy society dedicated to the subject.
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http://www.esatclear.ie/~garda/
The History of the Irish Post Office, looks at the way post was being delivered in Ireland. Find out about Donkey Post and the First Irish Stamp.
http://www.letterpost.ie/histbody.html
http://www.anpost.ie/AnPost/MainContent/About+An+Post/History+and+Heritage/
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Hi Christopher!
Joy again from Florida, USA. I came upon these entries about occupations and I was wondering what you knew about slaters. I know they are masons, or something to that effect. But my understanding was that my family was made up of farmers. You had mentioned, I think, about the Slaters of The Rock in Muff Parish, where my ancestors came from....I think so far. Eveyrthing seems to fit to what I have.
Another quick query...do you know of a better way to find gravestone inscriptions? www.irishgenealogyie.com was a website I saw recommended, but when I looked (and they did find a Slater in Muff Parish, so I was excited) they wanted 20 euros for a fee! Do you know of some alternate sites, or people who may be willing to help for less or free? As a teacher, I don't get paid for teaching the next generation, so therefore the funds are low! :)
Any help would be wonderful!
Joy :)
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Hi,
I thought i would see if anyone could help me on this thread, i realise it is primarily for ancestors who were in the police force but i was hoping someone might have some ideas on my research.
I am looking for some information on my gg grandfather.
His name was Charles Doherty and he was a Tea Dealer in Belfast i have him as working at 1 Exchange Buildings,Waring street in Belfast in 1907.
Also if anyone can confirm the profession of his son Joseph Doherty dob 1883 that would be great, i have quite a few possibilites for him... stone cutter,tailor, rope spinner or grocer.
Any help greatly appreciated
Thank you
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Could someone help me please ... the link on the RootsChat message at the beginning of this thread is for the Metropolitan Police ... "Working Together for a Safer London." What happened to the link about Ireland's National Police Website?
When I tried the second link about the Donkey Post and the First Irish Stamp I received this message ... "The page cannot be found The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable."
I'm not doing too well finding any details about the Donkey Post and the First Irish Stamp but click here (http://www.cartref.demon.co.uk/eng/stamps/eire01.htm) to learn about the "Effects of the Partition of Ireland on the postal service (1920-1922)."
I'm getting there although I've not yet succeeded in finding that donkey ... click here (http://www.victorianweb.org/history/letters/duke.html) to read about the mail packet ships to Ireland in the early eighteen hundreds ... it's part of an article headed "Turmoil & Unrest -Liverpool to Ballymote, Ireland, 1831" on the victorianweb.org site.
Christopher
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What about the army circa 1900?
If a Catholic man in Cavan had been in "the army" around 1900, would that have been the Irish army?
Is there a place to lookup such a record?
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Welcome to RootsChat acooper,
There wasn't an Irish army until 1922 when the Irish Free State was formed.
Christopher
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Thank you for the welcome.
Well, I did wonder about that, which means he would have served in the British army at the time, yes?
Guess I'll start looking at British army records then. :)
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ok i think my great grandfather was stoker could you tell what this entailed and would there be any records
he would i think lived in the limerick area would this also be a family ocupation the surname was Sheehan
many thanks michelina
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Hello Michelina,
A Stoker: is a person who tends portable or stationary high pressure boilers that supply heat or power for engines, turbines, and steam-powered equipment, such as steam shovels, pile drivers, or cranes, or industrial processes ... he could have been working in a boiler room, a factory, on a railway engine or on board a ship. Have a look at this link for more information ... www.occupationalinfo.org/95/951685010.html
Christopher
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right thanks for that info thats great to know
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Belfast Occupations
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,154128.0.html
Dublin Occupations
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,266851.msg1795689.html#msg1795689
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Hi Christopher my husband has ancester John Kittson or later as Kitson. The first we see of him he is based at Colchester Barracks on 1861 census born in Ireland about 1833 he was in British Army right through to about 1901 where he is in Coventry retired My question if possible did they recruit from all over Ireland as thats all we know except his father on M/C was Richard Kittson carpenter
name does not sound very Irish please can you help
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Hello Janet,
I looked at the Irish Ancestors Surname Search site which is based on Griffith's Valuation (1848-64). There were very few families in Ireland named Kitson or Kittson.
Christopher
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Thankyou Christopher for information will now have to keep looking as to what part ???
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I have been looking for information about my ancestor William Burke b. 1738 in Northern Ireland. He went to Prince Edward Island, Canada somewhere c. 1770 and his occupation was listed as a Ferryman. I have done a little research on Ferry routes in N. Ireland, and it appears that there were only two major ports (Larne and Belfast) in which ferry transports were available. Is this true?
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Is his occupation 'ferryman' his occupation in Ireland? "Ferryman" could refer to a man who ferried people, cattle, etc. across a river so it's still not a clue as to where William Burke might have lived.
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Well, that is interesting...thank you. I guess I just assumed that ferryman meant that he transported people only. I am not sure whether or not he held that occupation in Ireland, but I'm assuming (there I go assuming again...lol ::) he did because on a later census he lists himself as a farmer. He was also a member of a Loyalist militia group called the St. John's Volunteers, later to be disbanded and reformed as the Prince Edward Island Fencibles. I don't know if that helps, but it was worth a shot! :)
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I have done a little research on Ferry routes in N. Ireland, and it appears that there were only two major ports (Larne and Belfast) in which ferry transports were available. Is this true?
Hello Kellbell,
Belfast and Larne may not have been included as major ports in eighteenth century ... Bangor, Carrickfergus, Donaghadee and Londonderry were reasonably important at one time.
A man working on ships crossing between Britain and Ireland wouldn't have been described as a ferryman in those days ... even today he's usually not described as a ferryman ... mariner, merchant seamen or seaman would be more common terminology.
I'd tend to forget about the British - Irish ferries and think in terms of ferries from Ballycastle to Rathlin Island, from Co. Derry to Co. Donegal ... possibly Magilligan to Greencastle or Portaferry to Strangford (Co. Down) as well as many smaller ones. Sandy Bay on the eastern shore of Lough Neagh to Ram's Island would be one of the smaller ones. There used to be a ferry at Maghery (Co. Armagh) which I think went to somewhere in Co. Tyrone. There were also ferries on the River Bann and on Lough Erne in Fermanagh.
Christopher
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Thank you Christopher, that may be very useful information. Are all of those locations you mentioned in Northern Ireland? I know he was from N. Ireland and that he was Protestant, and a ferryman, but nothing else. Is there a source I could use to find names of people listed by occupation in Northern Ireland that you know of?
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Hi Kellbell,
The places I've mentioned are in the north of Ireland. I'm almost certain there's no source available which would show eighteenth century names and occupations. The best chance of finding whereabouts your ancestor lived would be to look at Griffith's Valuations (1848-64) in the hope that some families named Burke, who may be related to your ancestor, were living in an area where there was a ferry.
Antrim 30 Burke families
Armagh 47
Cavan 5
Derry 25
Donegal 12
Down 12
Fermanagh 14
Monaghan 2
Tyrone 9
Christopher
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Thank you very much Christopher. I will look into that for sure. Are the numbers next to the towns listed page numbers from the book you mentioned?
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Thank you very much Christopher. I will look into that for sure. Are the numbers next to the towns listed page numbers from the book you mentioned?
The figures show the number of Burke families per county
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As I said earlier he could have run a small ferry across a river (in which case he could also have farmed a bit of land or worked as a farm labourer)- there were several across the River Bann alone but as it seems you aren't sure it was his occupation in Ireland it really doesn't help much.
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Thank you both for all your input. :D The numbers of Burke families in particular areas as well as the understanding that the term "ferryman" isn't necessarily literal helps. Although it is true that I do not have solid proof yet that it was his occupation prior to going to PEI, it at least gives me somewhere to look. It's more than I had before! lol I need to start somewhere I suppose. :)
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I have one who came over to England and is listed as a land surveyor in 1847. This sounds quite important to me but is probably something quite ordinary!
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How about Patrick Ryan born in Ireland, shown in the 1881 Census as a Gunner in the Royal Marine Artillery - but his Father's occupation was a Shoemaker - and i still don't know where they came from.
Puck
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Hi Everyone, Hi Christopher,
My great Grandfather was head groom, so the story in the family goes. I think that he worked for :-
Lord Londonderry, but I cannot find his Irish estates anywhere, despite a lot of searching! Have you any idea how I could find out where it is? ::)
I have found a marriage which is a possible, but he came over to Liverpool later on and worked as a dock labourer. So the groom might have been his father.
I am well and truly stuck on this line. :-\ I'd be so grateful for any pointers you can give me
Rabbit B ???
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Hi Everyone, Hi Christopher,
My great Grandfather was head groom, so the story in the family goes. I think that he worked for :-
Lord Londonderry, but I cannot find his Irish estates anywhere, despite a lot of searching! Have you any idea how I could find out where it is? ::)
I have found a marriage which is a possible, but he came over to Liverpool later on and worked as a dock labourer. So the groom might have been his father.
I am well and truly stuck on this line. :-\ I'd be so grateful for any pointers you can give me
Rabbit B ???
Hi Rabbit B,
Garron Tower on the Antrim coast and Mount Stewart in Co. Down were properties owned by Lord Londonderry
Christopher
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hi
my great uncle was born in cahersiveen county kerry
john valentine o'shea b1887
he worked at waterville as a telegraphist in the commercial cable company
he left ireland for new york 1907 related to his job
then onto canada then finally the azores he ended up running the company in the azores
his daughter married the grandson of the founder of the company george mackey
berni
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Hi Rabbit B,
Garron Tower on the Antrim coast and Mount Stewart in Co. Down were properties owned by Lord Londonderry
Christopher
Hi Christopher,
Thank you for that information, I am trying to find an archivist that I could write to. So far no luck, have you any ideas?
Thank you for your reply
Rabbit B :D
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Have just received my gg grandmothers birth cert 1864 and her father's occupation is pilot Charles Hanrahan can anyone tell me what his job would have involved, she was born in Limerick windmill st . Thanks Pat
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Have just received my gg grandmothers birth cert 1864 and her father's occupation is pilot Charles Hanrahan can anyone tell me what his job would have involved, she was born in Limerick windmill st . Thanks Pat
Hi Pat,
Welcome to Rootschat, I am not sure where your ggg.gfather lived, near the coast he would have been the pilot that brought ships safely into harbour.
That is a very skilled job indeed. The pilot is taken out to meet an incoming ship via a small boat, or gets on an outgoing ship in the harbour to take the ship safely into the deep ocean, or comes back to port having met the ship out at sea.
When the pilot takes over, I think I am right in saying that he outranks the captain for that part of the journey into/out of harbour.
Rabbit B ;D
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Thanks for replying :) have checked on the map and they lived near the shannon river, sounds like a cool job!! thanks again Pat
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Hi Pat,
My pleasure, it is what this site is all about!
Rabbit B ;D