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Title: The Cooper family, possibly Newtownards.
Post by: paulsue38 on Thursday 19 December 19 14:24 GMT (UK)
I am searching for more information about the family of my 3rd GG Robert Cooper b 1821 Ireland and died in 1863 in Liverpool. He was a Mason. He married Emma Harriet Evans in 1845 either in Bangor or Newtownards, have seen records for both places.  (possibly 21st April of this year)
In the 1861 census he is living in Hopwood Street Liverpool. In the same household is a Hugh Cooper also a Mason born about 1814. I assume this is his brother or possibly cousin.
Best wishes
Paul, Bebington, Wirral.
Title: Re: The Cooper family, possibly Newtownards.
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Thursday 19 December 19 15:03 GMT (UK)
Do you have the marriage record for your 3rd GG Robert Cooper?

Party 1 Name       ROBERT COOPER
Party 2 Name             EMMA HARRIET EVANS
Year            1845
S.R. District/Reg Area   Newtownards
Quarter         Jan-Mar
Volume No         9
Page No         1


If you don’t you can apply for a photocopy of the marriage entry using this form:

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/images/content/GRO_Documents/Form_for_DAHG_site.pdf

The cost is €4 per photocopy record. They will email or post it to you.   

KG
Title: Re: The Cooper family, possibly Newtownards.
Post by: aghadowey on Thursday 19 December 19 20:59 GMT (UK)
Extract gives marriage place as 'Bangor, Newtownards' in which Newtownards is the civil registration district and Bangor is the dispensary or sub-registration district.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGYQ-Z62Q

https://www.swilson.info/regdistmap.php?gregdistid=130
Title: Re: The Cooper family, possibly Newtownards.
Post by: paulsue38 on Friday 20 December 19 08:52 GMT (UK)
Do you have the marriage record for your 3rd GG Robert Cooper?

Party 1 Name       ROBERT COOPER
Party 2 Name             EMMA HARRIET EVANS
Year            1845
S.R. District/Reg Area   Newtownards
Quarter         Jan-Mar
Volume No         9
Page No         1


If you don’t you can apply for a photocopy of the marriage entry using this form:

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/images/content/GRO_Documents/Form_for_DAHG_site.pdf

The cost is €4 per photocopy record. They will email or post it to you.   
Many thanks for replying and for attaching the form
Paul
Title: Re: The Cooper family, possibly Newtownards.
Post by: paulsue38 on Friday 20 December 19 08:52 GMT (UK)
Extract gives marriage place as 'Bangor, Newtownards' in which Newtownards is the civil registration district and Bangor is the dispensary or sub-registration district.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGYQ-Z62Q

https://www.swilson.info/regdistmap.php?gregdistid=130

Thats great makes more sense now.
Paul
Title: Re: The Cooper family, possibly Newtownards.
Post by: sam.b on Saturday 21 December 19 21:06 GMT (UK)
Surname   First Name   Year   Father's First Name   County
COOPER   ROBERT   1845      Down
Type   Civil Marriages
Date of Marriage   21/04/1845
Husband's Name   ROBERT COOPER
Husband's Address   HOLYWOOD
Husband's Occupation   FARMER/LABOURER
Husband's Age   24
Husband's Denomination   Church of Ireland
Husband's Marital Status   Not Married
Husband's Witness   THOMAS EVANS
Wife's Name   EMMA HARRIET EVANS
Wife's Address   GROOMSPORT
Wife's Age   21
Wife's Denomination   Church of Ireland
Wife's Marital Status   Spinster (Previously unmarried)
Wife's Father's Name   THOMAS EVANS
Wife's Father's Occupation   COAST GUARD
Wife's Witness   GEORGE MCKEE
Comment   BY LICENCE REV J FINLAY.
Address 1   BANGOR Church of Ireland
Address 2   NORTH DOWN
Address 3   BANGOR
Title: Re: The Cooper family, possibly Newtownards.
Post by: aghadowey on Saturday 21 December 19 21:10 GMT (UK)
Note regarding the above marriage transcription- Irish marriage certificates DO NOT list religion of bride and groom- this database assumes both are of the same denomination as where the marriage took place. Marriages usually, although not always, take place in bride's church and the groom may or may not have attended same church.
Title: Re: The Cooper family, possibly Newtownards.
Post by: paulsue38 on Sunday 22 December 19 16:09 GMT (UK)
Surname   First Name   Year   Father's First Name   County
COOPER   ROBERT   1845      Down
Type   Civil Marriages
Date of Marriage   21/04/1845
Husband's Name   ROBERT COOPER
Husband's Address   HOLYWOOD
Husband's Occupation   FARMER/LABOURER
Husband's Age   24
Husband's Denomination   Church of Ireland
Husband's Marital Status   Not Married
Husband's Witness   THOMAS EVANS
Wife's Name   EMMA HARRIET EVANS
Wife's Address   GROOMSPORT
Wife's Age   21
Wife's Denomination   Church of Ireland
Wife's Marital Status   Spinster (Previously unmarried)
Wife's Father's Name   THOMAS EVANS
Wife's Father's Occupation   COAST GUARD
Wife's Witness   GEORGE MCKEE
Comment   BY LICENCE REV J FINLAY.
Address 1   BANGOR Church of Ireland
Address 2   NORTH DOWN
Address 3   BANGOR


Thanks for posting. I wonder whether Thomas Evans was a Coastguard in Groomsport?
Paul
Title: Re: The Cooper family, possibly Newtownards.
Post by: sam.b on Sunday 22 December 19 19:28 GMT (UK)
There was a Coastguard station in Groomsport, if you go to this site, you can scroll down to the Groomsport details:https://www.portaferrylifeboat.com/
but not sure what station he was serving with.
Title: Re: The Cooper family, possibly Newtownards.
Post by: crimea1854 on Tuesday 24 December 19 17:12 GMT (UK)
Evans had been stationed at Groomsport, rated Commissioned Boatman, since the 22 Dec 1839 and retired on 24 March 1849.

Martin
Title: Re: The Cooper family, possibly Newtownards.
Post by: paulsue38 on Tuesday 24 December 19 17:48 GMT (UK)
Evans had been stationed at Groomsport, rated Commissioned Boatman, since the 22 Dec 1839 and retired on 24 March 1849.

Martin


Many thanks for the information. I have not been able to find him on the 1841 Census yet. Any help here would be appreciated. This is were his daughter Emma Harriet Evans must have met and then married Robert Cooper.
Best wishes
Paul
Title: Re: The Cooper family, possibly Newtownards.
Post by: crimea1854 on Wednesday 25 December 19 08:38 GMT (UK)
Paul

I'm afraid there is no surviving 1841 or any other census' for Ireland.