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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Jockwatt on Wednesday 18 December 19 06:20 GMT (UK)
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From an obituary of Dolly Harmer reads: "Came from a theatrical family; her father was Peter Harmer, and her brothers Joseph and Frank were musicians."
Can anyone tell me anything about those two brothers, please?
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I note that Sarah Elizabeth Harmer Caron born 1868 died 1932 Manchester
There is a baptism of a Sarah Elizabeth Caron in Bethnal Green 17 Feb 1867 with parents Pierre Jospeh Caron and Margaret Ann Caron - Pierre was a comedian
At the same time a son James Henry Caron with the same parents was baptised and he was born 1865
There is also a Frances Victor Caron bapt 28 Nov 1869 at Wigan, All Saints, Lancashire, with the same parents
Kay
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Francis Victor Caron died 1934 and was buried Southern Cemetery Manchester - He is listed as a musician
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Looks like Joseph Hamer was born Pierre Joseph Caron bon 1860 Lambeth. In 1861 listed as Pierre and living with parents Pierre and Margaret in St George Southwark
In 1881 listed as Pierre Joseph Caron age 21 b London and boarding in Burnley working as a violinist
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Thanks for that, Kay - it's a start! What about Joseph, brother of Francis Victor ??
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Thanks for that, Kay - it's a start! What about Joseph, brother of Francis Victor ??
I think this may well have been the Pierre Jospeh Caron b 1860 I posted detials of before who was listed as a violinist in 1881
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Am I asking too much for any marriage or deaths for these two people? :o ;D
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Frank Hamer Caron married Elizabeth "Lizzie" Meredith on 27 Jan 1889 at Toxteth, Liverpool - His father is listed as Peter Caron an Actor. You should be able to find him and family in 1911 living in Manchester as FranciS Hamer - we aren't allowed to post detials re 1911
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Pierre Joseph Caron married Martha Bentley on 15 Jan 1883 at Blackpool, Lancashire. A transcription of the marriage is on Anc - but i can't see an image
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Pierre Joseph Caron age 34
Death 1893 Dec Qtr Manchester
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I think you have given me a lot to be going on with - thank you very much - for a guy who celebrated his 87th birthday on Sunday just gone !
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Good Luck - they are very tricky to find in the census
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And a belated Happy Birthday ;D ;D
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Thanks, Thanks, Thanks ! ! !
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Just realised that I didn't find the occupation for Pierre Joseph Caron -
One of his daughters was Pattie Caron born 1885 Blackpool She was bapt at St John Blackpool on 19 April 1885 - parents Pierre Joseph and Martha. They were living at Manchester and PJ is listed as a Professor of Music. Her sisters Eleanor and Dorothy May were witnesses
Pattie was living with her parents and family in 1891 in Chorlton on Medlock
Joseph Harmer 31 Musician b London
Martha Harmer 31 b Hailfax, Yorkshire
Eleanor Harmer 7 b Blackpool, Lancs
Pattie Harmer 6 b Cholton, Lancs
Joseph Harmer 4 b Moss side, Lancs (born Pierre Joseph)
Mary E Chadwick 21 Servant
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Hello Kay - Yes, it is me again !
I'm sure that there must be a connection between my people and JEREMIAH CARON born in the first quarter of 1893, married to celeste Smith in 1916 and died in 1937, all in Lancashire (I believe!).
BUT - who were his parents??? Any ideas ???
Jock.
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Sorry kay - I forgot to mention that his marriage seems to name him as JEREMIAH HARMER CARON !!!!!!! ;D
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Looks like you are right
His marriage cert is on Anc
Jeremiah Harmer Caron - Soldier - South Camp Ripon
Age: 23
Marriage 16 Dec 1916 Harpurhey, St Stephen, Lanc
Father: Francis Caron - Musician - He was a witness listed with middle name Hamer
Spouse: Celeste Smith
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Have you tried to search births on the General Record Office Birth Index? It lists the mothers maiden name - but unfortunatley it is down for maintenace at the moment - You need to register but free to search https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/scheduled.asp I hope the link works but the whole site seems to be undergoing maintenace at the moment
Kay
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No I havn't but I will.
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The site also includes an index of death registrations which includes the age of the person who died
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This is a better link to the GRO site now it is working https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/menu.asp
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Hi there, Im a newbie to this site so please bare with me.
I just wanted to say that I am a decendent of Sarah Elizabeth Caron AKA Dolly Harmer, she is my 3 x Great Aunt!.... so as you can imagine I am excited to find others researching my family history.
I have lots of information on Dolly and her family, Although i am still researching and finding more and more things about them myself. So if anyone needs any help then please feel free to leave a message.
I have emailed Jockwatt but im not sure if he is still on here? or using the same email address? but if you are Jock please get in touch if you can.