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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Leicestershire => Topic started by: Brian Roger Marshall on Wednesday 11 December 19 15:00 GMT (UK)
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My GG grandfather was Thomas Whittle Marshall born 1853 in Loughborough. I'm trying to trace my GGG grandfather (and beyond) who I believe was John Goodacre Marshall born 1819 in Wymeswold.
I have found census records showing
1851 John G Marshall Head Age 32 3 Meadow Lane Loughboro’
Harriet (?) Wife 24
William James Son 3 mths
1861 John Marshall Head 42 Meadow Lane Loughboro’
Elizabeth (?) Wife 41
William James Son 10
Thomas Whittle Son 8
Harriet Hannah Dau 6
Mary Ann Dau 1
1871 John G Marshall Head 52 Loughborough Town Hall Keeper
Elizabeth Wife 51
Annie G Dau 14
Mary Ann Dau 11
I Can’t find the maiden names of Harriet or Elizabeth and why FreeBMD records show 2 marriages for John Goodacre Marshall both in Loughborough in 1848 and 1850. Any help would be appreciated.
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GRO site https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp (need to have a free account to search)
Will give MMN prior to 1911
1851 Q1 William James Marshall, Loughborough, MMN Hallam
1853 Q1 Thomas Whittle Marshall, Loughborough, MMN Hallam
1859 Q4 Mary Ann Marshall, Loughborough, MMN Hallam
The 1850 marriage in Free BMD has a Harriet Hallam on the same page so that looks likely to be the marriage record you are after?
The same site also does a deaths search which gives ages at death for the years that the old index didn't record:
1860 Q1 Harriet Marshall , Loughborough, age 34
There's also a marriage on Free BMD Q4 1860 for a John "Goodwere" Marshall and an Elizabeth Stevenson (I looked at the image the entry was transcribed from and though its dire and difficult to make out I do think it may say Goodacre)
Neither of the above marriages are turning up in Leicestershire Parish Registers either on FS or FindMyPast so I suspect they were either at a Registrar's Office or possibly were Non Conformist of some flavour.
The Annie G daughter in 1871 aged 14 leads me to suspect that Elizabeth was a widow when they married so Stevenson may not have been her maiden name - tracking her back in the census returns may find out more but I have run out of time :-)
EDIT oh! and Welcome to Rootschat!
Boo
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I now find I have a little more time as my visitor has said she's running late :-)
In 1851 John's occupation is post messenger
The 1848 marriage is
Parish Church of Loughborough
1st May, by banns
John Goodacre Marshall, full age,Bachelor, occ: postman residence Meadow Lane, father William Marshall Book-keeper
Mary Lawrence, full age. Spinster, residence Sparrow Hill, father James Lawrence Cordwainer
Both signed the register
witnesses
Isaac {??} signed (but surname difficult to read)
Ann Lawrence marks X
John Twells signed
and there is a 'possible' death register entry
1849 Q2 Mary Marshall Loughborough, age 25
So if the second marriage shows he was a widower that could confirm the theory - looks like he had a taste for wedding cake!
Boo
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And a warm welcome to Rootschat from me
The Annie G daughter in 1871 aged 14 leads me to suspect that Elizabeth was a widow when they married so Stevenson may not have been her maiden name - tracking her back in the census returns may find out more but I have run out of time :-)
GRO has birth:
Jun qtr 1857 Loughborough vol 7a p113 MARSHALL Ann Gertrude, mmn HALLAM.
Philip
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Following up the information found by ticketyboo on John Goodacre MARSHALL with father named as William, there is a possible marriage on FamilySearch:
Marriage 11 May 1817 Wimeswold, Leicestershire - William MARSHALL and Hannah GOODACRE.
(I haven't found John's baptism yet.)
Philip
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There are many refs for John Goodacre MARSHALL on the Brit Newspapers FMPast.
All free snippets seem to suggest that he WAS married 3 times.
Maureen
Edit: welcome to RootsChat!
Well done to Boo!
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And a warm welcome to Rootschat from me
GRO has birth:
Jun qtr 1857 Loughborough vol 7a p113 MARSHALL Ann Gertrude, mmn HALLAM.
Philip
Good find Philip, just shows that we all miss something when we are trying to do something in a hurry :-)
Boo
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There are many refs for John Goodacre MARSHALL on the Brit Newspapers FMPast.
All free snippets seem to suggest that he WAS married 3 times.
Maureen
So there are Maureen! Good that it looks like the 'possible' scenario really is plausible :-)
Boo
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Marriage at Wimeswold - 11 May 1817 - by Banns, with the consent of friends (seems to be the norm in this parish register).
Both parties said to be from Wimeswold, and they signed. Witnesses: Samuel and Elizabeth Goodacre.
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Many thanks to Ticketyboo philipsearching and MaureeninNY for the info and the welcome. I wish JGM had been a less complicated person as an introduction genealogy but I will dig deeper when time allows :)
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You are welcome, good luck with your search, sometimes the complicated ones are the most interesting :-)
Now you know where help is available (we all need it at some time) do come back and let us know how you get on :-)
(I'm really, really nosey and like to know how things turn out!)
Boo
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This may be relevant to my search for the family of my GG Grandfather who was James William Marshall. He was born in Loughborough in 1823 and immigrated to New Zealand in 1852.
He just arrived alone in New Plymouth. The only information his eventual in-laws could glean was that he had a mother, two brothers and a sister in Loughborough.
I found him in the 1951 census lodging in the area then he immigrated. However no clues on who his mother and father were.
I wonder if John was his brother. Any leads would be appreciated.
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Sorry I wasn't aware of your post I didn't receive any notification of it and I haven't had the time to visit Rootschat or for that matter the means to do it. I don't think I can help you in your quest, I myself are re-evaluating my own family tree some things just don't add up.