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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Merionethshire => Wales => Merionethshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Donnaroll on Tuesday 03 December 19 05:14 GMT (UK)
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Would you care to explain?
J.
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It is a euphemistic term for a baby born dead.
Perhaps a little gentler for the poor mother.
The baby may have died some time before birth, the mother would not feel any movement but that can be normal near the end of pregnancy when the baby’s head is engaged ready for the birth.
Sometimes they die during the labour especially if the placenta detaches
as then the baby has no blood supply of its own, that does not happen until the baby takes its first breath and its own circulation starts independent of the mother’s .
It is a magical moment , that first breath.
Many causes and in days gone by without scans and blood tests etc things picked up on nowadays were not realised.
Viktoria.
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My grandmother had a stillborn birth a baby boy mobley I was told around 1935. She is deceased now and she was very sick when baby was born so she said her daddy took care of funeral but I can't find anything about him no burial records I r birth and I assume she had him at home but she had Dr brewer there
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Sadly in those days and even much later it was thought it best to not speak of the baby again and just forget about it .
They were sometimes buried with older people from the workhouse ,but I feel strongly the birth and the fact the baby was stillborn would have been registered and the burial too.
Trythe local cemetery records, I have two babies of my grandma’s both buried in multiple burials of non related people in the paupers’ section.
Let us know how you get on.
Viktoria.
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donnaroll - Do you know your grandmothers maiden name ?
you could check FreeBMD for a birth / death
There is this entry on FreeBMD
Births Jun 1935 Birmingham 6d 873
Mobley Thomas mother’s maiden name Walker
Deaths Jun 1935 Birmingham 6d 605
Mobley Thomas age 0
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Edit - Free BMD has another birth & death 1937 Birmingham for a John Mobley (mmn Hardware)
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I would suggest you apply for a copy of his/her entry in the stillbirth register, if Ladyhawk's suggestions do not fit, application form here-
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/publications/stillbirth-certificate-application-form
You mention that your grandmother is deceased, are any of her children alive, your mother or father (whichever is her child) they have an automatic right to apply for a certificate?
If none are alive apply in your own right explaining that you are the living next of kin, you do not have an automatic right but if phrase your application in the right way you will be allowed a copy.
Cheers
Guy
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donnaroll - Do you know your grandmothers maiden name ?
you could check FreeBMD for a birth / death
There is this entry on FreeBMD
Births Jun 1935 Birmingham 6d 873
Mobley Thomas mother’s maiden name Walker
Deaths Jun 1935 Birmingham 6d 605
Mobley Thomas age 0
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Edit - Free BMD has another birth & death 1937 Birmingham for a John Mobley (mmn Hardware)
I would suggest you apply for a copy of his/her entry in the stillbirth register, if Ladyhawk's suggestions do not fit, application form here-
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/publications/stillbirth-certificate-application-form
You mention that your grandmother is deceased, are any of her children alive, your mother or father (whichever is her child) they have an automatic right to apply for a certificate?
If none are alive apply in your own right explaining that you are the living next of kin, you do not have an automatic right but if phrase your application in the right way you will be allowed a copy.
Cheers
Guy
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https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/publications/stillbirth-certificate-application-form
This is the website for applications of The Northern Ireland Stillbirth Registry. England and Wales applications can be obtained from https://www.gov.uk/general-register-office. Other than the parent's names (which you need to apply for a certificate) the certificate's only family history value is the date of stillbirth and after 1960 the cause of the stillbirth. My parents named my stillborn brother, born in 1965, Huw but weren't allowed to record the name on his stillborn certificate. They weren't allowed to bury him either, he was disposed of as "clinical waste", something that still haunts and hurts my parents 50+ years later.
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https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/publications/stillbirth-certificate-application-form
This is the website for applications of The Northern Ireland Stillbirth Registry. England and Wales applications can be obtained from https://www.gov.uk/general-register-office. Other than the parent's names (which you need to apply for a certificate) the certificate's only family history value is the date of stillbirth and after 1960 the cause of the stillbirth. My parents named my stillborn brother, born in 1965, Huw but weren't allowed to record the name on his stillborn certificate. They weren't allowed to bury him either, he was disposed of as "clinical waste", something that still haunts and hurts my parents 50+ years later.
Oops yes I had just posted an email to a friend who lives in N. Ireland about the same subject and grabbed the highlighted url instead of the English ones from my database.
The yellow van will be coming for me soon. ;)
Cheers
Guy
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https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/publications/stillbirth-certificate-application-form
This is the website for applications of The Northern Ireland Stillbirth Registry. England and Wales applications can be obtained from https://www.gov.uk/general-register-office. Other than the parent's names (which you need to apply for a certificate) the certificate's only family history value is the date of stillbirth and after 1960 the cause of the stillbirth. My parents named my stillborn brother, born in 1965, Huw but weren't allowed to record the name on his stillborn certificate. They weren't allowed to bury him either, he was disposed of as "clinical waste", something that still haunts and hurts my parents 50+ years later.
How insensitive and cruel.
There is no closure in that is there!
Who wouldn’t be hurt and haunted by that.
That is truly upsetting to read so how hard it must have been for Huw’s and your parents ,and you too ,to know of your brother.
Kind regards.
Viktoria.