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Title: Birth Look up Please - JERMY Shipdham??
Post by: sussexgirl on Friday 19 August 05 22:15 BST (UK)
I seem to be struggling with this one.  I am trying to find the birth of Annie Elizabeth Jermy.  That is the name on her marriage certificate in 1876, she was aged 20 and her fathers name was Alfred Knight ??!!  She married Charles Abbott in Bromley.  You would suppose her birth was about 1856 but...

I can't seem to find her in 1861 anywhere.  On 1881 census she was aged 23, making birth 1858 and it states she was born in Shipdham.  Also in 1901 she was aged 43 and again Shipdham for her birth place.

Is there anyone out there that can help please?
Title: Re: Birth Look up Please - JERMY Shipdham??
Post by: 'Tricia on Friday 19 August 05 22:30 BST (UK)
Don't know if this is relevant or if you already have it but the name is so unusual

An Elizabeth Ann Jermy married quarter ending December 1854
in Norwich 4b 361 possibly to a William Brown who appears on same page.  ??? ???

Can't spot Annie Elizabeth at the moment
Title: Re: Birth Look up Please - JERMY Shipdham??
Post by: kynyaf on Saturday 20 August 05 08:36 BST (UK)
Hello,

Found on the Shipdham parish fiche.

Baptism Dec. 13th - Born Nov. 29th 1857
Anna Elizabeth, daughter of Hannah JERMY, Shipdham, mother spinster.

Regards Mary

Title: Re: Birth Look up Please - JERMY Shipdham??
Post by: 'Tricia on Saturday 20 August 05 08:39 BST (UK)
Brilliant!!

I'll have a look for the birth reference if it was registered and you can see what she put for father - if anything

Tricia
Title: Re: Birth Look up Please - JERMY Shipdham??
Post by: Tati on Saturday 20 August 05 08:47 BST (UK)
I can see this in 1861 - not sure this is likely, but who knows:

RG9/1239
Folio 57 p. 1
Shipdham, Norfolk

Church Lane

John Germany, unm, 21, Groom
Hannah do., unm, 27, Laundress
Anna do., 3
Lydia Bagge, serv, unm, 13, Housemaid

Everybody born Shipdham. Unfortunately, no relationships given. 

Tanja  :)
Title: Re: Birth Look up Please - JERMY Shipdham??
Post by: 'Tricia on Saturday 20 August 05 09:14 BST (UK)
Found this one

Anna Elizabeth Jermy
Birth registered Quarter ending December 1857
Mitford
4b
248

Mitford
Created 1st July 1837.
Sub-districts : Bawdeswell; East Dereham; Litcham; Mattishall; North Elmham; Shipdam.
GRO volumes : XIII (1837-51); 4b (1852-1930).
Bawdeswell, Beeston with Bittering, Beetley, Billingford, Bintree, Brisley, Bylaugh, Colkirk, Cranworth, East Bilney, East Dereham, East Lexham, East Tuddenham, Elsing, Foxley, Garveston, Gateley, Gorleston (1889-91), Great Dunham, Great Fransham, Gressenhall, Guist, Hardingham, Hockering, Hoe, Horningtoft, Kempstone, Letton, Litcham, Little Dunham, Little Fransham, Longham, Lyng, Mattishall, Mattishall Burgh, Mileham, North Elmham, North Tuddenham, Oxwick with Pattesley, Reymerston, Rougham, Scarning, Shipdham, Southburgh, Sparham, Stanfield, Swanton Morley, Tittleshall, Twyford, Weasenham, Wellingham, Wendling, Westfield, West Lexham, Whinburgh, Whissonsett, Woodrising, Worthing, Yaxham.
Registers now in East Dereham district.

Registry Office
East Dereham 59 High Street, Dereham, Norfolk, NR19 1DZ.
Tel: 01362 698021.
Send stamped self addressed envelope with cheque for £7 addressed to Superintendant Registrar

Good Luck!!!

Tricia
Title: Re: Birth Look up Please - JERMY Shipdham??
Post by: sussexgirl on Saturday 20 August 05 10:34 BST (UK)
 :) :) Fantastic !  Thank you all very much.  I will  now have a look and see if I can find a marriage between Alfred Knight and Annie (Anna)'s mother, he was possibly step father to her.   I will also send off for her birth certificate.

I have only been with Rootschat for 2 or 3 weeks, the site is brilliant I have had some really good responses.

Byee for now !
Title: Re: Birth Look up Please - JERMY Shipdham??
Post by: sussexgirl on Thursday 22 November 07 17:56 GMT (UK)
Oh dear, I cant believe that I last posted regarding the Jermy's over two years ago!!  At last I have sent for the birth certificate and find that she was Anna Elizabeth, her mother was Hannah Jermy and her father is named as Alfred Knight, a groom.  I have had a  look on FreeBMD to see if I can find a marriage for Hannah and Alfred - no luck!

Can anyone help with 1851 census to see where Hannah or Alfred was please?

Thanks
Sussexgirl
Title: Re: Birth Look up Please - JERMY Shipdham??
Post by: Tati on Thursday 22 November 07 18:35 GMT (UK)
If Alfred Knight is mentioned as the father on the birth cert then it doesn't look like he's the stepfather and maybe never married Hannah?  :-\

I can't find a better match in Shipdham than a Hannah Germany from 1861 (now Jermany):

1851
HO107/1824 71 12 & 13
Shipdham
Church Lane

Emanuel Jermany, head, 53, Servant in Stables, b. Caston
Mary, wife, 47, Laundress, b. do.
James, son, unm, 24, Shoe Maker Apprentice, b. do.
Lewis, son, 21, Carpenter Journeyman, b. Shipdham
Hannah, dau, 18, Laundress Assistant, b. do.
Emmanuel, son, 16, Glover's Apprentice, b. do.
John, son, 10, scholar, b. do.

I can't see an Alfred Knight in Shipdham   :-\

Title: Re: Birth Look up Please - JERMY Shipdham??
Post by: sussexgirl on Thursday 22 November 07 18:40 GMT (UK)
Thanks Tati

Like you, I think its a good match, in 1861 she was a 'laundress', also they are living in Church Lane.   I agree, I dont think she ever married Alfred -
Thank you so much for your help.
Sussexgirl
Title: Re: Birth Look up Please - JERMY Shipdham??
Post by: The Yokel on Friday 23 November 07 16:42 GMT (UK)
Hi

there's this Alfred Knights in 1851

William  DOUBLEDAY   Head M 27   Ag Lab   Morley
Mary A.  DOUBLEDAY   Wife M 28   ---   Attleborough
Ephraim  DOUBLEDAY   Son   3   ---   Besthorpe
William  DOUBLEDAY   Son   2   ---   Besthorpe
Alfred  KNIGHTS      BroL U 21   Ag Lab   Attleborough

King Street, Besthorpe, Norfolk
HO/107/1823   Folio: 96   Page: 20

and a death on FreeBMD
Alfred Knights Jun 1858 Depwade 4b 187

regards
yokel
Title: Re: Birth Look up Please - JERMY Shipdham??
Post by: sussexgirl on Friday 23 November 07 20:40 GMT (UK)
Thanks Yokel,  could be him I suppose.  Going to be a difficult one to prove I'm afraid!
Sussexgirl