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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Mayo => Topic started by: Martian123 on Tuesday 26 November 19 13:57 GMT (UK)
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Hi all,
I am looking for information on McGowan families from NW Mayo - particularly where Patrick McGowan (b 1871 on Dooyork) came from, no sign of the family in earlier census data.
Any related information appreciated,
Martin.
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Welcome to RootsChat :)
First off, the townland of Dooyork.
https://www.townlands.ie/mayo/erris/kilcommon/rathhill/dooyork/
KG
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KG, thanks for that and for answering my first rootsweb post so quickly, I do feel welcome.
Martin.
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Are these your McGowans in the 1901 and 1911 census?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Mayo/Rathill/Dooyork/1579808/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Mayo/Rathill/Dooyork/707690/
Patrick appears to have been born around 1871, but I can't find a birth record for him yet.
KG
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KG,
Yes they are, I had found the census records but hey seem to dissappear before that, I know the earlier census records were a bit patchy but no mention of the name in any of them, I am wondering if they migrated in from say Ballycroy where ther are more McGowans.
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This is the only Patrick McGowan born between 1868 and 1874 in Belmullet and Newport RD's.
His birth.....9th August 1873.
The townland is Aughness which is only a few kilometres from Dooyork, but across a body of water.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03180/2166532.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/mayo/erris/kilcommon/ballycroy-north/aughness/
KG
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...........no sign of the family in earlier census data.
Unfortunately you will not find your ancestors in earlier censuses.
The original Irish census returns for 1861 and 1871 were destroyed shortly after the censuses were taken.
Those for 1881 and 1891 were pulped during the First World War, probably because of the paper shortage.
The returns for 1821, 1831, 1841 and 1851 were, apart from a few survivals, notably for a few counties for 1821 and 1831, destroyed in 1922 in the fire at the Public Record Office at the beginning of the Civil War.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/help/history.html
KG
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This is the only Patrick McGowan born between 1868 and 1874 in Belmullet and Newport RD's.
His birth.....9th August 1873.
The townland is Aughness which is only a few kilometres from Dooyork, but across a body of water.
KG
KG, This does make some sense, in 1901 he was living with his father in law, by 1911 he has his own place in Dooyork - so could have relocated following his marriage. Also I do have DNA matches to the Cafferkey name in the Area which again would correlate with his Mother being Honor Cafferkey. I'll have a look through DNA trees to try and prove the genetic link.
Many thanks,
Martin.
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I see there is a Marriage of Bernard McGowan and Honor Cafferkey in Aughness in 1866 - do you think this is likely to be the same person as Bryan Cafferkey listed as the father of the potential Patrick - are these names interchangable ?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1866/11526/8239246.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03180/2166532.pdf
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It's Bryan McGowan who is Pat's father.
On the question of interchangeability, see this thread.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=655612.0
KG
Edited to add: Earlier children also have Bryan as their father.
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Bryan and Bernard are interchangeable.
Surnames I would say are not. (haven't read KG's link)
Wouldn't it help to find Patrick's marriage first than birth.
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KG - great thank you - looks like Brian and Honor are Pat's Parents
Sinann - Yes It would make sense but I can't Pat's Marriage to Anne Scanlon anywhere (though maybe I'll look again as it could have been in Aughness and missed earlier). The Marriage is confirmed by the 1901 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Mayo/Rathill/Dooyork/1579808/
Thanks again,
Martin.
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Hi,
i have also just started looking for my Grandfathers roots, John "darkie" McGowan who looks like he was the son of Anne & Patrick Mcgowan from house 35 Dooyork... From the census 1901, Anne was formally Scanlon.
My Grandfather moved to Norfolk in the UK, not sure when, and had 1 child, my father Bernard Victor Mcgowan.
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All Civil Reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for Mcgowan of Newport District
LINK http://www.rootschat.com/links/01p5n/
Certs are Free... Safe website
Any with Returns Page No don't have Images yet
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Right click on 4 or 5 names...open in New Tab much handier
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All Civil Reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for Mcgowan of Belmullet District
LINK http://www.rootschat.com/links/01p5o/
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http://goldenlangan.com/graves-gw/McGOWAN,%20Annie%201949,%20Patrick%201950,%20GW.JPG
http://goldenlangan.com/graves-gw/McGOWAN,%20Dick%201953,%20(SCANLON)%20GW.JPG
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KG - great thank you - looks like Brian and Honor are Pat's Parents
Sinann - Yes It would make sense but I can't Pat's Marriage to Anne Scanlon anywhere (though maybe I'll look again as it could have been in Aughness and missed earlier). The Marriage is confirmed by the 1901 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Mayo/Rathill/Dooyork/1579808/
Thanks again,
Martin.
14 years married, 8 children, 7 living
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Mayo/Rathill/Dooyork/707690/
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Welcome to RootsChat, Gerald :)
John "darkie" McGowan who looks like he was the son of Anne & Patrick Mcgowan from house 35 Dooyork...
John McGowan (transcribed McGarvan) born 1st July 1908 #463 Mother named as Nancy McGowan formerly Scanlon.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1908/01641/1655574.pdf
KG
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14 years married, 8 children, 7 living
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Mayo/Rathill/Dooyork/707690/
See reply #3
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14 years married, 8 children, 7 living
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Mayo/Rathill/Dooyork/707690/
See reply #3
No!
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Gerald,
Looks like we might be cousins - I am descended from Pat McGowan and Anne Scanlon (great grandparents) they had a son John abt 1908 who is listed in the 1911 census (house 35). In the 1901 census Pat and Anne are living with Anne's parents.
The birth cert given by KG today backs this up (if we can transpose Anne and Nancy)
Are you still in Norfolk then ? I live in Norwich.
best wishes,
Martin
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Anne/ Nancy... same.
Did you get all Births?
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I have 9 children of Pat and Anne recorded including Richard 1902 - 1903 and a second Richard (Dick) 1904 -1953. see attached
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Gerald,
Looks like we might be cousins - I am descended from Pat McGowan and Anne Scanlon (great grandparents) they had a son John abt 1908 who is listed in the 1911 census (house 35). In the 1901 census Pat and Anne are living with Anne's parents.
The birth cert given by KG today backs this up (if we can transpose Anne and Nancy)
Are you still in Norfolk then ? I live in Norwich.
best wishes,
Martin
Hi Martin! my grandad John McGowan lived in Cranworth, which is close to Dereham. I used to stay with him in the school holidays when i was a kid. I was born, and still live in North London. My dad Bernard, was born in Norfolk.
Its nice to find out about family, i was born in 1966.
For some reason i cannot access your message... maybe i am too knew to the board?
I will try again though! thanks for the reply
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I think you have to have posted a couple of comments first - so maybe you are OK now.