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Title: Who's the Mammy?
Post by: Miriam_90 on Tuesday 19 November 19 13:52 GMT (UK)
Hi,

Hopefully you can guys have better luck with this than I did.

My 3 times great grandmother Eliza Loughlin married Edward Connolly 10th October 1874. Her civil record gives her fathers name as James Loughlin and living at 25 Nicolas Street. When I looked to the parish record to find her mothers name the fun began.

It looks the scan of the page wasn't very clear and the image is a little unfocused. To make it worse don't think the handwriting is all that clear anyway.

I think the mothers name is Bridget. . . Dwyer's? . . . Sayer?. . .  xxxyer?

I can't go any further back until I have her name. Admittedly, these are Famine generation reletives so there probably isn't much to find. . .

Any and all guesses welcome
Title: Re: Who's the Mammy?
Post by: arthurk on Tuesday 19 November 19 15:53 GMT (UK)
Could it be Joyce?
Title: Re: Who's the Mammy?
Post by: carol8353 on Tuesday 19 November 19 16:15 GMT (UK)
Ahaha I've just found that it's in Dublin.

The marriage cert seems to say Father's name Jane?

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1874/11254/8127336.pdf
Title: Re: Who's the Mammy?
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 19 November 19 16:23 GMT (UK)
Could it be Joyce?

I agree. the surname does look like Joyce. I'm not at all sure of the first name though :-\

(add  - the surname in brackets below the line)

Sorry, Carol - last time I looked I thought you'd asked for the place.
Title: Re: Who's the Mammy?
Post by: carol8353 on Tuesday 19 November 19 16:42 GMT (UK)
Could it be Joyce?

Sorry, Carol - last time I looked I thought you'd asked for the place.

I did Gadget ,wasn't sure if it Scotland or Ireland,then found the cert on the irish Genealogy site.
Title: Re: Who's the Mammy?
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 19 November 19 16:50 GMT (UK)
Your link does look like father's name is Jane though, doesn't it! Though it's probably Jame with an absent  s  :-\
Title: Re: Who's the Mammy?
Post by: carol8353 on Tuesday 19 November 19 16:54 GMT (UK)
Your link does look like father's name is Jane though, doesn't it! Though it's probably Jame with an absent  s  :-\

Notice how there's a line through occupation,as though it either wasn't the dad's name,or he'd long gone and she didn't know his name?
Title: Re: Who's the Mammy?
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 19 November 19 17:16 GMT (UK)
The church record has him as Jacobii, so James.  No mother's name recorded but I expect Miriam has seen this


http://www.rootschat.com/links/01onz/
Title: Re: Who's the Mammy?
Post by: Miriam_90 on Wednesday 20 November 19 08:23 GMT (UK)
Your link does look like father's name is Jane though, doesn't it! Though it's probably Jame with an absent  s  :-\

Notice how there's a line through occupation,as though it either wasn't the dad's name,or he'd long gone and she didn't know his name?

I think this is more likely to imply he was unemployed. I have something similar elsewhere in my tree  but I know the father in that case was an "invalid" after a stroke.
Title: Re: Who's the Mammy?
Post by: Miriam_90 on Wednesday 20 November 19 08:25 GMT (UK)
I think "Joyce" is looking like a good place to work from. I'll have to see if theres anything out there.

What do people think of "Bridget" as the first name?
Thanks everyone.
Title: Re: Who's the Mammy?
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 20 November 19 09:32 GMT (UK)
It does look a bit like Bridget but ??

How old was she and was she born in Dublin?  I had a look through the baptisms but could only see two that didn't fit with her father's name .

Gadget
Title: Re: Who's the Mammy?
Post by: dathai on Wednesday 20 November 19 12:54 GMT (UK)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Merchants_Quay/Nicholas_Street__Part_/1304429/

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Wood_Quay/Coombe/66119/
Title: Re: Who's the Mammy?
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 20 November 19 13:24 GMT (UK)
So circ 1855-57, born Dublin.
Title: Re: Who's the Mammy?
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 20 November 19 13:27 GMT (UK)
This one in 1856 has Anna Boyle as mother:

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01oo9/

Not sure as the marriage entries don't look like Anna or Boyle  :-\


Added - another listing on the search has the same baptism in English not Latin with mn as Ann Bayde - a mistranscriptio, me thinks.
Title: Re: Who's the Mammy?
Post by: Miriam_90 on Wednesday 20 November 19 14:00 GMT (UK)
Eliza married a man who worked in Guinness. According to those records she provided a baptism record  dated 23rd December 1850. A note says it was it was certified so the note taker must have seen the cert. There isn't any record of the cert itself.