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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: mezentia on Monday 18 November 19 11:39 GMT (UK)
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After chatting to a newly discovered cousin the other day, he mentioned that his father recollected staying on a farm (possibly in or near Masham, Yorkshire) with the Holland family, and that one of his contemporaries was one Barbara Holland who played hockey for England. Barbara would have been the niece of my great aunt's husband, Ted Holland, well known in and around Masham.
I've found an obituary for Barbara's father, Frank Holland in the Guardian of 18 Jan 1960, but I don't have a Newspapers.com subscription, so can anyone help with getting a transcript of Frank's obituary.
Barbara is also very elusive on Google. There is an obituary in the Ripon Gazette, but the link is broken. There's also an obituary in the Ripon Grammar School newsletter, but I can't seem to to to that issue either.
I do know that she married someone called Lambton, but I can't find a marriage index entry anywhere. She went by the name Barbara Lambton Holland. She was born in Masham on 29 June 1926, and died on 23 March 2006. There is a will, so I will order a copy of that to see if it sheds any further light on her life.
On the basis that Barbara was head of the England Womens Hockey Association, and got an OBE for her services to English hockey, I would have thought that there would be much more information about her. It seems she doesn't even rate a Wikipedia entry :'( Can anyone help me to discover more about this lady?
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I do know that she married someone called Lambton, but I can't find a marriage index entry anywhere. She went by the name Barbara Lambton Holland.
On a 1956 passenger list (going to Australia) she is entered as Barbara Lambton Holland, marital status single :-\
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https://www.hockeymuseum.net/index.php
There is a hockey museum in Woking, link above.
I also read that Bath Uni hold a hockey collection, archivist Lizzie Richards.
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1939 National Register shows Barbara Holland (Lambton).
This indicates a change of surname to Lambton at some point between 1939 and the 1990s.
Could be a marriage; could be her mother remarried?
Or a partner was named Lambton?
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OBE awarded in 1992 Birthday Honours List to Miss Barbara Lambton Holland.
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My wife knew her as housemistress and deputy head when she was at Ripon GS.
As an Old Riponian, she might be able to see parts of the website that others can't, so she'll have a look later to see what she can find.
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1939 National Register shows Barbara Holland (Lambton).
This indicates a change of surname to Lambton at some point between 1939 and the 1990s.
She was using the name Lambton as far back as 1956 (reply #1)
I do know that she married someone called Lambton
Are you basing this on the name entered on the 1939 register? This can indicate a change of name, but not necessarily a marriage, i.e. change by deed poll.
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I'm not sure why the name Lambton has been added to the 1939 Register entry , but I think it's a family name from her mother's side.
Frank Holland m Dora Brown 1925 Bedale 9D 947.
In the 1901 census in Knaresborough District
Richard L Brown
Jane Brown
George H Brown
Dora Brown 2
RG13; Piece: 4049; Folio: 84; Page: 3
Richard Lambton Brown married Jane Hick 3Q 1893 Scarborough 9d 601
Certificates would confirm .
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It looks as though the school magazines haven't been digitised before 2011, but the Old Rips' secretary may well be able to dig out the relevant issue and scan the article for you. See this page for more info:
http://www.ripongrammar.co.uk/about/clocktower-magazine/
However, my wife does have a copy of the school's 450th anniversary publication, published in 2005, which includes a brief outline of her life - see image below.
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We aren't supposed to do 1939 look ups.
But I have taken a look at the original page, and there is a code number there. which consists of two letters and three numbers :-X
There is a Rootchat thread about the very same code number in which it is suggested that this code relates to a change of name but not by marriage.
There is also a three letter code which relates to an enumeration district.
My feeling is that the name ‘Lambton’ on the register doesn't indicate a marriage, but the addition of an 'extra' name which was either notified to the authorities or which became known to them by some means or another.
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As Barbara didn't marry, I dis suggest that Lambton may be the name of her partner?
Maybe the will will help identify.
N.B. "partner" could be male or female.
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Wow!
Thanks everyone for your help.
I fell into the trap I warn other people not to, and that's to assume a name added to a 1939 entry is a marriage! I knew that it couldn't be as a result of her mother's re-marriage, otherwise her mother's name would have been amended too, and anyway, my research had already ruled that out. I never thought about adopting another surname element, and I must admit I haven't looked at her maternal side much at all, something I will now do, focussing rather on the Hollands. I had spotted the references to Miss on the passenger list and in the London Gazette, and must admit to being a bit confused about that, but I am well aware that sometimes married women prefer not to use Mrs. It does seem, however, that the Lambton part of her name is something she adopted herself. One day I'll make a note of the 1939 register codes and their meanings ::)
I have contacted (eventually, after my initial email bounced as the email address on their website is wrong) the Ripon Gazette about Barbara's obituary, and await their reply. I will follow up the suggestion about contacting Ripon Grammar. Thanks to arthurk for the magazine cutting - the only other I could find was on FindMyPast's newspaper search.
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The 1939 register shows Lambton written in as an extra forename (ie after Barbara), and Holland has not been deleted. Where someone changes their surname, the original one is deleted, and the new one is written above, and that's clearly not the case here.
So, as JenB has suggested, it seems she adopted Lambton as an extra forename - maybe in honour of her grandfather's family? (He seems to have died in 1945.) Or maybe she came across the name while doing FH and thought it sounded a bit more distinguished?
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The Hockey Museum sadly has nothing available online. I've emailed Lizzie Richards at Bath to see if she can help, and in the meantime I'm also waiting for a copy of her will, and any information from the Ripon Gazette and Ripon Grammar.
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Hello
Barbara Lambton Holland was my 2nd cousin once removed - I only discovered this relationship recently; I never knew her personally. Her grandfather was Richard Lambton Brown, my great great uncle.
I have no idea where the Lambton name comes from but it certainly helped distinguish my Brown family from other Browns.
I have more details of the Brown family if anyone is interested.
RuthieB
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P.S.
I have a txt version of the obit in the Ripon Gazette - please PM me if you would like a copy
RuthieB
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Hello
Barbara Lambton Holland was my 2nd cousin once removed - I only discovered this relationship recently; I never knew her personally. Her grandfather was Richard Lambton Brown, my great great uncle.
I have no idea where the Lambton name comes from but it certainly helped distinguish my Brown family from other Browns.
I have more details of the Brown family if anyone is interested.
RuthieB
This seems to tie in with my suggestion in Post # 7I'm not sure why the name Lambton has been added to the 1939 Register entry , but I think it's a family name from her mother's side.
Frank Holland m Dora Brown 1925 Bedale 9D 947.
In the 1901 census in Knaresborough District
Richard L Brown
Jane Brown
George H Brown
Dora Brown 2
RG13; Piece: 4049; Folio: 84; Page: 3
Richard Lambton Brown married Jane Hick 3Q 1893 Scarborough 9d 601
Certificates would confirm .
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My father in law had the middle name Lambton, he was illegitimate but I am sure I have traced the mother's side and the generation before included Lambton for one son, both were given William as a first name, they were in Sunderland.
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Hello,
I am aware that this thread is three years old, but I thought if anyone is interested I could shed some light on this.
Barbara ‘Bar’ Holland was my great aunt, who I only knew as a child but I did personally know her. According to my mum, who knew her well, she indeed never married. Lambton was in fact a family name which acted as a middle name, which is very common in my family. My grandmother, Bar’s sister, was Sheila Elizabeth Lambton Holland. Incidentally ‘Holland’ is my middle name. I’m not sure why the name ‘Lambton’ appeared only in 1939, she was born with that name. The most likely case is that it was merely a clerical error.
I only just stumbled across this thread and hope this info helps. Am happy to answer any questions, although I can’t guarantee I will know the answers, but will gladly share what I know of Aunty Bar.
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Welcome Lizzie, mezentia was last online yesterday and will be notified of your reply.
Happy Birthday mezentia :D
Regards
Sarah
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Thank you Sarah, I've had a lovely day :)
Lizzie, I was interested in Barbara as her uncle Edwin married my Aunt Nora and I was researching that part of the Holland tree at the time. Edwin and Nora also brought up my older half brother Paul - long story! I know quite a bit about the Holland family, but any stories, recollections, etc., about the family are always welcome, especialy as I did not discover this part of my family until most of them had passed away so now can't ask them all the questions I would like to have asked.
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Lizzie, I don't suppose you have any idea about where the Lambton name came from do you? As far as I can see, it was first used for Barbara's grandfather, Richard Lambton Brown. But good to see it's still carried on.
All best wishes
RuthieB