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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: Calvin Wyatt on Friday 15 November 19 06:53 GMT (UK)
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Hi everybody. I have a census from 1851 for a parish. I can't quite make it out. water high? Outer High? Or St Paul's. My ancestors lived in 23 Bell Street. I'm trying to narrow down finding them in a later census as I don't have a lot of info, but without knowing which area of Glasgow this is, I don't know where to start in narrowing it down.
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Bell St is at the bottom of the High Street in Glasgow just before the Gallowgate and Tollbooth very close to the city centre and may have come under the Calton district.
To amend the reference to the Calton as when the census was taken Bell St which starts in the Candleriggs district would have stopped at the High St where as today it now continues across the High St into what was then Graeme St Calton district now renamed as a continuation of Bell St.
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Hi, my GtGtGrandparents lived at 6 Bell st . It was Outer High or St Paul's.
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Was just searching in google for the same address to find out more about it... to solve a mystery.
I am looking at a page of that same census and it would seem we are looking at the same page. curious what family you are investigating? For me its Crawford (Agnes, Margaret, Jane)
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I see from other posts of yours we are looking at the same people.
Im a Crawford and have some issues tracing that back beyond a Crawford marriage in 1838 in Glasgow before getting on a boat to Aus in 1849. Cant trace Crawfords back any further. I had an ancestry match with someone descending from the Crawford, Craig, Marshall line so ive been trying to take the info from this persons tree and trace it back further into the Crawford history to see if anything matches what i do know. That way trying to see if my ancestry match is indeed via the Crawford angle.
So in the census, one thing i find interesting is the note in the condition column for Agnes C. "Husband in workhouse"...if ive understood correctly. Implying that he might still be around at that point.
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If he was in the poorhouse (are you sure it says 'workhouse'?) there should be a record of him in the Poor Law archives in the Mitchell Library. Among other details, such a record would almost certainly say which parish he was born in.
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i cant see what else it would say. I feel like "work" is pretty clear but less so the second half.
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Fairy nuff.
It's just that what in England is called a workhouse is usually called a poorhouse in Scotland.
Definitely worth checking the Glasgow Poor Law records.
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DamonC I take it your referring to me regards Crawford, it is my maternal line and trace back to Ireland with a marriage in 1876 in Lisnaskea/Moat between my gg grand parents James Crawford (1842-1915) and Jane McManus (1848-1885) they arrived in Glasgow after feb 1876 and had my grt grandfather John in dec 1876 so they are after your dates given and I have no concrete info regards before 1876 apart from guessing their exact ages which are derived from their marriage cert from Ireland then census and death certificates, James Crawford (1842) did die in the Govan Poor House in 1915. He and Jane had four sons John (1876 my grt grand father) James (1878) Edward (1880) and Charles (1882) no issues/children for the 3 later named Charles died 1908 in Uruguay/montevideo while working on a steam ship James and Edward both died in Glasgow 1950/45 both single and like i said with no children. garngad
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to add I did have a grandaunt Charlotte Crawford (1910-1987) the grandaughter of James+Jane, Charlotte married James McMillan (1911-1953) they in turn had a son James (1958-2010) who did emigrate to Australia . garngad
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...a marriage in 1876 in Lisnaskea/Moat between my gg grand parents James Crawford (1842-1915) and Jane McManus (1848-1885)...
URL Link for others interested-
Marriage 5 February 1876 at Moat RC Church. Both groom and bride indicate their age as Full Age (21 yrs and over). James living in the townland of Lisnagole.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1876/11159/8088065.pdf
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2923652#map=13/54.26383/-7.45646
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Re Agnes & Workhouse - to me it looks like Tambourer in Muslin Warehouse - describing her occupation rather than location.
Tambour was a form of embroidery.
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Quote from another Rootschat thread
I can help you out here - as tambour muslin brings Jane Austin to mind!!
At the height of its popularity in Europe between 1780 to 1850, fine flowing muslin gowns, net wedding veils and scarves were embroidered, as the Napoleonic Wars made it difficult to obtain fashionable French lace.
It was worked with a hook, an ‘ari’ in India, and in the West, a ‘tambour hook’, like a sewing machine needle turned into a crochet hook which was placed inside a wooden holder.
A fine fabric – cambric, muslin or netting – was placed drum tight in a free standing embroidery hoop. The right hand held the tambour needle whilst the left hand, below the work, held the thread. The needle worked through the fabric and created a continuous line of chain stitches.
Is believed to be of eastern origin, worked in China, Persia, Turkey and India as early as the 1300s. The technique reached Europe about the mid 1700s and was referred to as ‘tambouring’ from the French ‘tambour’ for drum, a forerunner of the modern tambourine. Named after the drum shaped frame on which it was worked.