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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: Dadsarmy on Thursday 07 November 19 00:41 GMT (UK)
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My Granddad Join as Sidney or Sydney carpenter on 2/10/1928 and was discharged on 28/2/1944 service's number is 4855114 I know he served in the Pioneer Crops 254 Coy and Leicestershire Regiment and his Brother Leonard was in the Lincoln ra India. Even more stranger my Granddad has three birth date's listed when he join 1. 25/12/1910 2. 20/12/1910 3. 25/12/1912. What ever scrap of information you have on my Great granddad and Great-uncle would be much appreciate.
Thankyou Dadsarmy
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WW2 service records are still with the MoD
https://www.gov.uk/get-copy-military-service-records/apply-for-someone-elses-records
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I do understand that but thought there would be other information out there thanks for help
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Do you know where they were born? Is Leonard older or younger? Did either of them have a second name?
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If you assume that his birth was registered in the March quarter there are only two births that are possible
Births Mar 1911
Carpenter Sidney C Newton A. 5b 97
Carpenter Sidney G W. Ham 4a 38
There is nothing with a spelling of Sydney in the relevant time frame.
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Robert Sidney carpenter was born Richard/Robert Sidney scarpenti Born 25/12/1912 Cleethorpes, Lincolnshire, England
Leonard carpenter was born Leonard Scarpenti on 25/5/1906 Canning Town West Ham United Kingdom but thats about all i have
Thanks Dadsarmy
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A possible birth registration for Leonard albeit a quarter later than I would expect for a May birth.
Births Sep 1906
Scarpenti Leonard W. Ham 4a 124
So when did the name get changed to Carpenter?
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We think before ww2 and that definitely looks right for Len
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There is this one for Richard but I would have thought if his birthday was 25th December it would appear in the March quarter. Right place though.
Births Dec 1912
Scarpenti Richard S Percival Grimsby 7a 1121
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Thats one thing i have found this family tree is very strange
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There is this one for Richard but I would have thought if his birthday was 25th December it would appear in the March quarter. Right place though.
Births Dec 1912
Scarpenti Richard S Percival Grimsby 7a 1121
GRO gives the ‘S’ as Sidney
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Definitely him then, hey i didn't thankyou for your time in help me so thanks
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Going by Carpenter for every day stuff in 1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7YV-N43
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Is the GRO working for you then Mckha? It isn't for me, this is what I am getting
Search the GRO Online Index
Which index would you like to search?
Events registered in England or Wales: Birth Death
When was the birth registered?
Year:* +/- year(s)
and that's it. ???
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Yes it’s working fine, although they have moved the year field up to the top for some reason,
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Thanks Mckha, that was confusing. It only shows the rest after you have put a year in!
Leonard's birth from the GRO
SCARPENTI, LEONARD PERCIVAL
GRO Reference: 1906 S Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 124
Parents marriage proving hard to find though. Married abroad perhaps?
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SCARPONTI, NICHOLAS WILLIAM PERCIVAL
GRO Reference: 1897 M Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 251
SCARPENTI, JOHN PERRIVAL
GRO Reference: 1898 J Quarter in GRIMSBY Volume 07A Page 648
SCARPENTI, GEORGE PERCIVAL
GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 161
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Thanks Mckha, that was confusing. It only shows the rest after you have put a year in!
Leonard's birth from the GRO
SCARPENTI, LEONARD PERCIVAL
GRO Reference: 1906 S Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 124
Parents marriage proving hard to find though. Married abroad perhaps?
GRO not working for me now
Form Errors
An error has occurred - currently unable to search the GRO Indexes
(3591: The conversion of a nvarchar data type to a datetime data type resulted in an out-of-range value.)
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Yes that's what I got originally. So tiresome :(
Looks like the family are already Carpenter in the 1901 census
Registration district West Ham
Other household member first name(s) Hannah, Julia, Nicholas
Other household member last name Carpenter, Barrett
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 1580
Folio 17
Page 25
Julia Barrett is stated to be sister and single so Hannah's sister?
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Marriage
Nicholas
Last name Scarpenti
Marriage year 1894
Marriage date 23 Dec 1894
Place Woolwich, Holy Trinity
County Kent
Country England
Spouse's first name(s) Johannah
Spouse's last name Percival
Source
Woolwich, Holy Trinity 1881 - 1900 Marriages
Record set Kent Marriages And Banns
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain
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Marriages Dec 1894 (>99%)
Carpenter Nicholas Woolwich 1d 1892
Percival Johannah Woolwich 1d 1892
Scarpenter Nicholas Woolwich 1d 1892
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There parents are Nicholas Scarpenti and johannh or hannah Percival
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Image for Nicholas and Johannah’s marriage is on Ancestry
Fathers are George Scarpenti (labourer) and William Percival (musician)
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Yep thats them
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What was your grandmothers christian name and maiden name? A copy of their marriage cert will confirm his fathers name
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Nicholas Scarpenti/Scarpenter
Johannah Percival