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Title: Martin Lawlor
Post by: amck1 on Wednesday 06 November 19 15:11 GMT (UK)
Hello I am looking for some help/advice!!
I have found the marriage record for my gg Grandad but it only lists his father's name and his age as full. I have managed to find three possibilities for his birth certificate but without confirmation of his Mother's name am unsure which birth certificate is his. 
The marriage is Martin Lawlor married to Agnes Muldoon 1905 Belfast father listed as John Lawlor occupation Blacksmith
Any suggestions or ideas of what I could now check would be very much appreciated :-)
Title: Re: Martin Lawlor
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 06 November 19 15:20 GMT (UK)
Have you looked for him on the 1901/1911 census?

The 1911 will give you his birthplace and age which you can use to find him in 1901 - hopefully with his parents

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
Title: Re: Martin Lawlor
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 06 November 19 15:54 GMT (UK)
Speculation only.  There is a birth March qtr 1879 in Nantwich Cheshire for Martin Lawlor who seems to disappear before 1881.  Nothing for him on any census and no death.

GRO search shows his mmn was Welch but there are no further Lawlor/Welch births before or after 1879 and no Lawlor/Lawler marriage to a female Welch


EDIT - scrap the above.  Just found a marriage on www.cheshirebmd.org.uk 1879 - William Lawlor to Eliza Welshe - Nantwich
Title: Re: Martin Lawlor
Post by: Pennines on Wednesday 06 November 19 16:16 GMT (UK)
This doesn't answer your query I'm afraid - but there is a Fold 3 Military record for a Martin Lawlor - widow Agnes - son John Joseph.

Sadly died in WW1 - Service No 5280 - Royal Irish Rifles.
I don't have access so cannot tell you if the record gives more clues. Naming his son John Joseph - ties in with his father being named John.

Sorry if you already know this.
Title: Re: Martin Lawlor
Post by: aghadowey on Wednesday 06 November 19 17:49 GMT (UK)
Link to 1905 marriage for Martin & Agnes-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1905/10179/5703669.pdf

What are the 3 possibilities for Martin's birth? certificate should list father's name & occupation.
Title: Re: Martin Lawlor
Post by: Pennines on Wednesday 06 November 19 17:51 GMT (UK)
Following up on the Military theme -- if it's the correct Martin -- he died in 1916 aged 39. Gives him a birth year c 1877.

(May not be the right Martin of course).
Title: Re: Martin Lawlor
Post by: aghadowey on Wednesday 06 November 19 17:53 GMT (UK)
A daughter Agnes born 1907, registered late (1908)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1908/01669/1664752.pdf

Title: Re: Martin Lawlor
Post by: aghadowey on Wednesday 06 November 19 17:57 GMT (UK)
A daughter Agnes born 1907, registered late (16 Mar.1908)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1908/01669/1664752.pdf

Wife Agnes died 1 Apr.1908-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1908/05498/4540147.pdf

Address in both cases was 34 Milford St. although Martin's address on birth record given as 3 Percy Place.
Title: Re: Martin Lawlor
Post by: Pennines on Wednesday 06 November 19 18:24 GMT (UK)
If that death is correct -- Agnes was only 20 -- so would have been underage at the time of her marriage.
Title: Re: Martin Lawlor
Post by: aghadowey on Wednesday 06 November 19 18:25 GMT (UK)
If that death is correct -- Agnes was only 20 -- so would have been underage at the time of her marriage.

Death for Agnes gives her age as 30 not 20  ;)
Title: Re: Martin Lawlor
Post by: Pennines on Wednesday 06 November 19 18:29 GMT (UK)
I need to go to Specsavers!!

This also rules out the Military record I was getting excited about - which was showing a Widow named Agnes to the deceased Martin Lawlor.
Title: Re: Martin Lawlor
Post by: amck1 on Thursday 07 November 19 13:40 GMT (UK)
Thank you for all for your posts.
Yes I know Agnes died in 1908 and had a child Agnes in 1907 - I have no idea what happened to Agnes I just really hope that she went to live with good people. I know my Grandad was living with Roseanne Muldoon at 34 Milford Street in 1911 his Grandmother.
Due to Agnes's age at the date of her marriage to Martin that being approx. 29 years old I think the most close in age is Martin Lawlor born 2 Nov 1870 Thomastown. However his fathers occupation does not state Blacksmith so cannot be 100% this is correct and that's why I was trying to figure out how I can get a mother's name for him.  The other two records I found around this time with a Father's name as John all seemed very young so I have ruled them out.
I think Martin remarried in Dublin in 1919 to Elizabeth Fitzpatrick also states his father as John Lawlor a blacksmith.
Title: Re: Martin Lawlor
Post by: aghadowey on Thursday 07 November 19 14:00 GMT (UK)
For reference- 1919 marriage of Martin Lawlor to Elizabeth Fitzpatrick-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1920/09251/5348577.pdf
Title: Re: Martin Lawlor
Post by: amck1 on Thursday 07 November 19 14:17 GMT (UK)
Scratch the above named Martin Lawlor he can now be completely ruled out.  Thank you for the post with the record all help appreciated :-)
Title: Re: Martin Lawlor
Post by: amck1 on Wednesday 12 February 20 15:20 GMT (UK)
Does anybody know where I can view church transcripts for St Malachy's and St Mary's Belfast please?  I am sure there are probably lots of family tree sites but am unsure if any would hold this information.  I am looking for transcripts initially from the 1900's

Appreciate any help/advice anyone can share  :)