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I am looking for information on John and Sarah McLeod from Benbecula, who had sons Donald, Alexander and 3 daughters. They emigrated in 1849 to Canada and first to Ingersoll, ON where John died about 1850 and then ending up a few years later in East Williams, Ontario and area around McGillivray, Middlesex, Ontario.
John d. Abt 1850 Ingersoll, ON
Sarah b. Abt 1802 South Uist d. January 27, 1892 McGillivray, ON
Alexander b. Abt 1832 Benbecula
Donald b. AUGUST 18 1836 • Benbecula, South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland d. APRIL 7 1916 • McGillivray, Ontario Canada. Buried Parkhill, Ontario.
I know very little about his sisters except on Donald’s Obituary it said 2 sisters were still living. Family lore is one was Helen.
Donald McLeod married first Mary McKenzie (1843-1875) on 30 Jan 1873 • East Williams Township, Middlesex, Ontario, Canada. Then Mary Rubena Robertson (1858-1939) on May 20 1880 • McGillivray, Ontario, Canada. He had 11 children altogether all born in McGillivray, ON. He was a member of the Corbett Presbyterian Church and obit says a “pioneer settler” of that area.
I have had no success in confirming this family on the 1841 census for Scotland. Sarah’s name was likely a Scottish variation.
If you have any information on this family it would be most appreciated as I would like to go further up the tree and I’ve hit a road block!
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North or South Uist does not appear on the list of missing 1841 censuses, but no record of them there?
Records on https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/ Pre Statutory Registration in 1855.
South Uist Births 0 Marriages 1839 – 1848
Benbecula Births 1848 – 1854 Marriages 1848 – 1851
No Deaths
I came across this on freereg, it's a bit of a long shot but the only family I could find anywhere near your description of them. I just wonder?
Birth records were available in Portree at the time but no records there for any of those listed below.
1841 – Kirkton, Portree Inverness-shire – MACLEOD (All born in the county except Sarah)
John 35 Miller
Sarah 32
Colin 11
Donald 9
Catherine 7
Alexander 5
Peter 1
Margaret 20 Female Servant
Colin
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These are some of the more well known name variants for Sarah www.whatsinaname.net/php/search.php?action=search2&search_name=sarah
Doesn't help with finding the family in 1841 unfortunately :-\
Monica
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I appreciate both the posts. I will check out that site Colin (: There were definitely only the 2 boys and 3 girls. The problem I see is names tended to change when people immigrated into a new area. For example, going by middle names etc... Makes it tricky tracking them!
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hi
you may like to take a look at Bill Lawsons books
http://www.billlawson.com/books.htm
he covers south uist and benbecula
i ve purchased a few of his croft books for
the isle of lewis and have found them to be a great source
of information
Raonull4
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Worth knowing Sarah/Marion are interchangeable.
Annie
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There were definitely only the 2 boys and 3 girls.
Be cautious about that - many children died in infancy or early childhood, so there could easily have been others who didn't live long enough to emigrate.
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Hello NorthrnGrl
Following on Rosinish's comment about Sarah/Marion being interchangeable, I wonder if this might be your family in the 1851/2 and 1861 Canadian censuses.....
1851/2 census, bottom of the page. Township of Zorra West, Oxford County (Ingersoll w/b in Oxford County).
Alex
Donald
A widowed Marion
Cristy
Ann
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e095/e002363888.jpg
1861 census, starting at line 11. Township of West Williams, Middlesex.
Alexander
Donald
A widowed Sarah
Neil
Anne
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1861/jpg/4391945_00338.jpg
Ages differ a bit between the censuses (one is age next birthday, one age last birthday) but the family members seem to fit fairly well? Relationships aren't given but is it possible Alex and Donald had an older brother? The 1851/2 census gives you a couple of possible sisters if this is the correct family. The families seem to be living in the general areas you mentioned.
Anyway, food for thought.
PB
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They do fit well, PB. Great find :)
Monica
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Aw, thanks. :) Hope they are the correct folks.
PB
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With additional names to search, wondering about this entry in South Uist in 1841:
John Mcleod 50 Farmer
Marion Mcleod 40
Chirsty Mcleod 15
Niel Mcleod 12
Ketty Mcleod 10
Donald Mcleod 7
Anne Mcleod 1
Address: Dunganach, South Uist
Ketty/Kitty is normally a variant of Catherine. No son Alexander in the household though.
Monica
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PB
I also recently found that 1851 Census and it is a very good possibility but I compared the 1861 census you attached with the one I have for Alexander, Donald and Sarah in West Williams, Middlesex and now I have a mystery. It appears to be the SAME census for same area, same neighbours, etc... but mine has “absent family members” Neil and Anne missing altogether! Having Neil (listed as soldier, residence unknown) and Anne (residence London) is a game changer as I recently had one researcher in Scotland find a 1841 Scotland census for John, Marion, Christy, Neil, Donald, Ketty, Anne. No Alexander as MonicaL said though but the best lead yet! Birth years close and living in Benbecula, South Uist. I have attached the 1861 census in question. Let me know what you think...
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I don't believe John died in 1850. The particulars on the Ingersoll death is he was b 1810-1814 and died between 1850-1867. This is from the Oxford OGS which is online. I suggest you contact the Oxford OGS for clarification.
I'm also not sold on Sarah/Marion. Apart from the 1891 Census there is no Sarah/Marion listed in the 1881/1871 tied to the family members in the townships you mentioned unless they were in Huron South.
There is a John/Mary in the 1851 for Nissouri with a Donald closet in age to the one you seek but just another option.
If this was my search I would contact the London & Middlesex OGS as well as Oxford for assistance. Both have most cemeteries but you can check the TONI here for other family members https://ogs.on.ca/databases/toni this is far from being a complete database but a good start.
I would find out where Sarah is buried on would like to think she lays with her husband.
Don
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DonM,
That’s interesting you have found information on John McLeod. Do you have a link you could share to that information?
I am going on the approximate death date based on his son, Donald’s obit. It stated they came to Canada in 1849 and “lived for a time at Ingersol, where his father died. After two years residence at Ingersol, the widowed mother settled with her children on the 18th Con., East Williams.” I am not sure if that means 2 years AFTER John died or they were in Ingersol for 2 years TOTAL. I have a Sarah, widowed, along with sons Alexander and Donald in that area of Middlesex, ON, on the 1861 and 1871 census. Sarah died January 27, 1892 but I don’t have her burial information. I have no indication of any other name for her but Sarah as this is also the name given for Donald’s mother on his marriage certificate. Listed John and Sarah McLeod. I will contact the society again to see what they can assist with. Thanks for all your help (:
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Ages were certainly up and down weren't they for the family. Sarah, with Donald and his family, is showing as aged 100 on the 1891 census ::)
Doesn't help sometimes!
Monica
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So true Monica! I think my McLeods especially didn’t like to reveal their true age LOL My great great grandfather Donald included. Its all over the place for Sarah. I have that census with her as 100 but as her death record says 90 I feel that’s more plausible ... until I have a birth record to prove otherwise anyways.
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The family appear to be indexed on Ancestry 1841 as;
Parish South Uist 118 ED 2 Pg 16
SP 1841
MCLEOD 118/ 2/ 15 South Uist Inverness
John 50
Marion 40
Chirsty 15
Niel 12
Ketty 10
Donald 7
Anne 1
There were 2 families with heads named John MacLeod both with a wife Marion recorded in the Register of Emigrants Vol 2 South Uist & Benbecula 1840 - 1900 both emigrating from Benbecula;
This seems to be the family, no Alexander, emigrated from Uachdar.
There's room for another child (Alexander) who may be elsewhere in 1841?
John MacLeod 1791
Marion 1801
Kirsty 1826
Neil 1829
Kate 1831
Donald 1834
Ann 1840
2nd family, no Alexander, emigrated from Lidistrom(e);
John MacLeod 1796
Marion 1801
Donald 1821
Kenneth 1826
Kirsty 1829
Neil 1830
Mary 1833
Annie
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"John d. Abt 1850 Ingersoll, ON
Sarah b. Abt 1802 South Uist d. January 27, 1892 McGillivray, ON
Alexander b. Abt 1832 Benbecula
Donald b. AUGUST 18 1836 • Benbecula, South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland d. APRIL 7 1916 • McGillivray, Ontario Canada. Buried Parkhill, Ontario.
I know very little about his sisters except on Donald’s Obituary it said 2 sisters were still living. Family lore is one was Helen."
Can you tell us about the family 'lore' regarding Helen as Helen/Ellen/Lena etc. is not a typical Uist name?
I haven't found a stray Alexander elsewhere on the Uist 1841 so far.
Annie
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Annie
A family member did a family tree for my grandfather before he died many years ago. She said two of Donald’s sisters were Helen and Mary. His obit said there were 3 sisters. I’m starting to wonder if Alexander went by a different name in Scotland. He clearly is Alexander in Canada. Name changing or going by middle names etc... is something I’ve come across a lot in my research.
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A family member did a family tree She said two of Donald’s sisters were Helen and Mary. His obit said there were 3 sisters. I’m starting to wonder if Alexander went by a different name in Scotland. He clearly is Alexander in Canada.
We now have a Mary not mentioned in the opening post i.e. I will have a look at other families emigrating at the same time when I get home.
I forgot to say, the place name 'Dunganach' should read Dunganachy.
From what I can see, the names of emigrants have been taken from the 1841 census?
How sure are you the family emigrated from Benbecula in particular & how sure are you both parents were alive when the family emigrated?
Who were witnesses to Donald's marriages & are any of his parents recorded as deceased?
Sorry for the questions but the name Helen throws things a bit & the absence of an Alexander is odd as there are others such as a Neil/Niel & Kirsty/Chirsty showing on records found so far as well as Ann & Mary in different households
"I’m starting to wonder if Alexander went by a different name in Scotland"
Given the era & areas mentioned I'd have to say it's doubtful other than Alex/Alexr or Alasdair/Alastair & variants which is gaelic for Alexander although baptism/marriage/death/census records were pretty much all English forms of names.
I have yet to come across Eck/Sandy/Alick etc. on a Uist census or any other record in 1800s.
Annie
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Just as a matter of interest the only marriage I can find in Scotland is below but of course we know that not all marriages were recorded or survived if they were.
JOHN MCLEOD married SARAH MCEWAN 12/05/1829 record on SP at Barony & Rothesay.
Colin
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The witnesses for Donald's first marriage in 1873 were Alexander Rose and Wm McKenzie.
The witnesses for his second marriage in 1880 were William Porteous and Sarah S McDonald.
Parents are not noted as deceaesed but parents would not normally be noted as deceased on an Ontario marriage record.
PB
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We do have mother Sarah living with son Donald and family in 1891....when she showed as age 100 ::)
Monica
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I have looked through all MacLeod families in Vol 2 (Reply #16) who emigrated in the 1840s none of which are a close match to what's been previously posted in relation to your own info.
As far as I recall there are no records passenger lists as such for those?
Annie
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There is a Mary and a Helen who are siblings but they are the children of Donald McLeod and his 2nd wife Mary Robertson.
Mary Isabella was born in 1885; Helen Jane was born in 1891.
Donald senior also had a son Donald with his first wife so these girls w/b his siblings (1/2 sibs, actually).
PB
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parents would not normally be noted as deceased on an Ontario marriage record.
Thanks PB, I wasn't aware of this & should have checked my own Canadian marriages.
Monica, I wasn't meaning to doubt anything just making sure the records found so far were definitely correct as Uist names don't vary too much i.e. Donald, Mary, Neil & others seemed to be in every family, sometimes more than once :)
Annie
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NG, can you please post names for the children of Donald & Mary McKenzie in order please?
Annie
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Annie
In response to your questions, much of my own research is based on my great great grandfather, Donald McLeod’s Obituary. It says he was born in Benbecula, South Uist, on August 18, 1836. It says “with his parents, three sisters and one brother he immigrated to Canada in 1849”. It says 2 sisters “survive” him. This obit is from a newspaper and says the town of “Moray” above it. He died April 7, 1916 and is buried in Parkhill, ON.
His children were:
With Mary McKenzie:
Sarah Anne
Colin Donald
With Mary Rubena Robertson:
John
Christina
Alexander
Mary Isabella
Florence (Flora)
Norman Neil
Helen Jane
Catherine Irene
David Edwin
Honestly, the research a family member had complied with the Helen and Mary as siblings had no solid backing and never had any hits in my research so I decided to start with a blank slate and see where it led me. It’s one reason I left it out initially. I wanted to go with what I knew for sure.
In my research Alexander was his brother’s name mostly because of the 1861 census where Alexander (head) 28, Donald 23 and the widowed Sarah 52 in West Williams ON. Interestingly, the 1851 census from West Zorra, near Ingersol which was brought to my attention and possibly matches the 1841 census for the McLeods in Dunganachy, also has “Alex” listed in that family with Donald and the widowed Sarah.
I just found a death record in Parkhill ON for a Catherine McLeod whose parents were John McLeod and Sarah MacIsaac which I’m going to explore to see if she is possibly sister “Ketty”. She was b. abt 1832 Scotland and married James Shears. d. 8 Apr 1918. The name MacIsaac sticks in my mind from past research as a possible last name for Sarah. Worth a try (: If I can figure out his sisters names this should help me a lot.
I appreciate ALL your comments and research. Wow. I’m really glad I turned here as having so much input is so helpful when you’ve hit a bit of a wall! Colin you’ve also given me somewhere to look. And DonM if you have that link for John McLeods death record I would love to have it (:
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The 1874 marriage record of a James Shears and a Catherine (assuming I have found the correct couple) is rather unhelpful. Catherine is Catherine McDonald and a Widow. Her parents are unfortunately given as John and Sarah McDonald. Witnesses L I Osborne and C McLean, both of Parkhill. Marriage took place in Parkhill.
Hopefully, her first marriage will turn up. It's good that you have parents from her death record to work with.
PB
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Sorry I'm away I have other links and info I will send upon my return.
John's Death https://oxford.ogs.on.ca/pdf/Some_Early_Settlers_in_Oxford_County.pdf
There are two Sarah's living together in the census I think it was in Nissouri one was 90 the other 80. I think it was the 1881.
There was also a family living in Huron South (north of McGillivray) that included John/Sarah/Donald and others.
There are two Donald's in Parkhill 1880 one at just north in McGillivray the other just south in Williams West.
http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/CountyAtlas/searchmapframes.php
Select Middlesex then at the bottom of the page Select People go to page 446.
Don
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Further to my comments about the marriage of Catherine to James Shears....
Although I can't find a birth registration, Catherine seems to have had a daughter Mary after her marriage to James, and who can be found with her in the 1881 and 1891 censuses.
It looks like this Mary married a William Murdock in Port Huron Michigan USA in 1896. Unfortunately, her parents are not given.
BUT....
Mary Murdock passed away 20 Mar 1905 in Michigan. Birthdate 07 Feb 1876 Canada. Parents James SHEARS b. England and Catherine MCLEOD b. Scotland.
Images of the records for Mary are available on Anc...y if you have the requisite sub. They should also be available at familysearch for free, although I haven't checked.
Anyway, food for thought.
PB
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Assuming for the moment Catherine who married James Shears is correct, I'd be inclined to go by the info. given by herself on her marriage, of her mother being Sarah McDonald as the info. on her death would have been from a 3rd party.
What is the surname of Sarah on Donalds' marriages?
Annie
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But......
It is noted on the marriage record to James Shears that Catherine is a widow?
It is always possible that when asked her parents names she said John and Sarah and the writer simply put McDonald, or didn't hear McLeod properly. This record is also a transcript which could have been written wrong.
It is unfortunate that records from the time Catherine (McLeod?) would have married for the first time are few and far between. There are 4 McDonald's with the Shears family in the 1881 census but, unfortunately, relationships are not given.
PB
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"parents are unfortunately given as John and Sarah McDonald"
I had read the above to mean John (McLeod) & Sarah MacDonald.
Makes things a bit more complicated.
Annie
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PB...following from your comments, I have been looking for info on the McDonald children who show in the Shears household in 1881 with James and Catherine. I thought they were maybe children from her first marriage. I think they could well be.
1881 www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MVDK-HDN
Sarah McDonald born around 1860-1.
She married first to an Edward Johnson on 7 March 1888 in Middlesex, Ontario. Her parents then showed as Donald and Catherine McDonald (image for marriage).
Johnson family in Michigan for the 1900 census www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9BN-VHB
She remarried (showing as widow) in 1912:
Sarah Johnson 40
Birth Place: Pasphill, Ontario
Marriage Date: 20 Feb 1912
Marriage Place: Essex, Ontario, Canada
Parents Donald McDonald and Catherine McLeod
Spouse: Edward Hodgson
Burial www.findagrave.com/memorial/54631355
Death details:
Sarah Ann Hodgson [Sarah Ann McDonald]
Widowed and aged 73
Birth 28 Jul 1860 in Park Hill Ontario
Death on 11 May 1934 at Port Huron, St Clair, Michigan, USA
Father: Donald McDonald
Mother: Catherine McLeod
That is where I am up to...
Monica
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Similar sort of info for John McDonald who shows in the 1881 Shears household.
He married a Maria Jane Arnold I believe on 3 Aug 1887 at Middlesex, Ontario (image of marriage cert available) .His parents showed as Donald and Catherine McDonald. This is his entry for 1891 www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MWLJ-PJ5
The family show in Saskatchewan by 1911 with 5 children.
www.findagrave.com/memorial/66368884/john-mcdonald
Monica
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The youngest McDonald, Catherine, married (as Katie) on 13 October 1887 Middlesex, Ontario to an Isaac G Chisher. A Sarah A McDonald (sister?) was a witness to the marriage. Parents as we have for the other two marriage, Donald and Catherine McDonald.
Katie and family show in Port Huron, Michigan (where sister Sarah Ann was living) by the 1910 census www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MLTM-TQQ.
Can't see burial/death reg for her to reconfirm mother Catherine's maiden name.
Monica
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Rosinish, I see now where you were coming from.
I think that in Ontario marriage records you would get John McLeod and Sarah maiden name (which gives you both surnames) or John and Sarah in this case McDonald which gives you the married couple with the single surname (and which in this case is looking like it should have been McLeod).
Hope this makes sense.
Great finds MonicaL!
PB
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PB, I thought it was the way you'd written it i.e. I 'read' (was past tense) ;D
I have it now...well done Monica!
I've been looking through the Emigrant records in search of possible clues.
Annie
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Mary Shears, daughter of James and Catherine McLeod married in Port Huron, Michigan where we are finding links to her two McDonald half sisters. She married a William Murdoch and died in Port Huron on 20 Mar 1905. Parents showing as James and Catherine Shears.
When she married (on 23 Dec 1896 in St Clair, Michigan) her parents are down as 'unknown' :-\ yet I think her eldest half sister Margaret may have been a witness. There is a Miss Maggie McDonald from Detroit showing as the witness (image of marriage available, also here https://sites.rootsweb.com/%7Emistcla2/m_records6.htm - 23 Dec 1896, Port Huron).
Monica
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MonicaL...
I believe the 1905 death cert image for Mary Murdock gives her parents as James Shears and Catherine McLeod?
PB
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It certainly does, PB! Time to stop... ;)
Monica
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Last post before I log off...
The marriage for Catherine, as we have already, showed:
004542-74 James SHEARS, 28, laborer, England, Parkhill, s/o John and Mary, mar Catharine McDONALD, 28, widow, Scotland, Parkhill, d/o John and Sarah McDONALD, witn L. I. OSBORNE and C. McLEAN both of Parkhill, 26 Feb 1874 Parkhill
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~maryc/msex74.htm
Her death cert in 1918 showed mother as Sarah MCISAAC.
Just wanted to add that MacIsaac and MacDonald are very linked. One of my main lines, from the Western Highlands, were originally MacIsaac. By the mid 1850s to the 1880s, the surname had converted to MacDonald. Many BMD registrations would show both surnames, for example Angus MacIsaac or MacDonald.
Monica
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I agree. It appears that Catherine married first a McDonald, had Margaret (shares tombstone) Sarah, John, Catherine. 2nd marriage to James Shears (as Catherine McDonald) and had child Mary. No idea why her children would have been listed as servants on the 1881 census :-\ Seems to match the census and all the info you folks have come up with for the children. Thank you for all the awesome research (: Hopefully I can connect her to Donald as a sister
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The McDonald children in the 1881 census were all of working age and were most likely working in other households or establishments in the area but still living with James and Catherine.
PB
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Thanks! Not their servants you mean... just servants as an occupation. That makes sense PB :)
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Hello Northrn Grl. I am new to this so forgive if doing something wrong. I do believe if Donald McLeod is your relative we are cousins of some type. My aunt did a lot of research and I have been given it. I have info on Donald McLeod the son. of Donald and Sarah. I have photos of the gravesite in Parkhill Ontario of some of the family and know the history forward from my GGG grandfather. I have a photo of himself as well. THis is the Donald that travelled with his family as a child.
Mags.22
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hi
you may like to take a look at Bill Lawsons books
http://www.billlawson.com/books.htm
he covers south uist and benbecula
Unfortunately there are no Croft History Books for Benbecula areas & likewise for areas such as Lochboisdale/Daliburgh/Askernish/Frobost/Milton etc. nor Eriskay.
The only references to Benbecula are the Register of Emigrants & Index to Marriages books.
Annie
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Thanks Annie. I’ve been trying to find 2 Bill Lawson books that I believe will have some information for me. Usually you can find book content online to read but it seems the only way you can read content from his books is to actually buy them directly from his designated website. I wonder if anyone does lookups?
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I'm willing to do look-ups with the info. I have i.e. depends what info. you need?
Annie
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Annie
In Bill Lawson’s Register of Emigrants from the Western Isles of Scotland 1750-1900, Volume 2 Isles of South Uist and Benbecula, Part 2 1840-1900 it has what I believe is my family: (They emigrated in 1849 from Benbecula to Canada)
John MacLeod
Kate MacLeod
Kirsty MacLeod
Neil MacLeod
Marion MacLeod
Donald MacLeod
Ann MacLeod
It says Date of emigration and place of settlement in the New World. Port of embarkation, date of birth and/or death, marital information, and reference to original sources are also provided. Much historical and genealogical information are also provided. I’m wondering what other info is included.
Do you have this book?
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Those are the ones I looked up earlier on the thread & it only gives YoB.
I will have a look later when I get home & type exactly what's written as I have to go out soon.
Annie
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Thank you :)
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Hi NG,
Apologies, I haven't been online for a while.
This is the info. exactly as it's typed in the book...
DESTINATION UNKNOWN 125
SUE 612 BL2043
John MacLeod 1791- = Marion 1801-, Kirsty 1826-, Neil 1829-, Kate 1821-, Donald 1834-, Ann 1840-
John MacLeod and family emigrated from Uachdar in the 1840s SC41
This is the references...
125 = Pg No.
SUE 612 = South Uist Emigrants & their entry no. (gives an indication of the amount of families)
BL2043 = Bill Lawson' own resource collection
SC41 = Scottish 1841 Census
The introduction has 7 x A4 sheets giving a bit about emigration from the islands in general, how the info. was gathered & sources used, general history about S/Uist & Benbecula.
The extra info. does not apply to any 1 family in particular, any info. about them is written in their entry.
I will try & explain your quote as best I can from your quote using bold as reference...
"It says Date of emigration and place of settlement in the New World. Port of embarkation, date of birth and/or death, marital information, and reference to original sources are also provided. Much historical and genealogical information are also provided. I’m wondering what other info is included."
There are no specific dates as there are no passenger lists as such although it is known the majority left for Canada with the exception of info. re the Lulan (1848). Those with 'Destination Unknown' have not been traced by BL.
BL explains the lists were drawn up from people who disappeared from census records, later found on Canadian census', Obits, MIs & other published sources e.g. OGS (Ontario Genealogical Society), HOW (History of Wapella) Wapella Centennial Committee
The place of settlement, again from Census' etc.
There are no specific dates of birth, only years which were taken from the Census of the years prior to disappearing i.e. circa dates
There is no specific info. on deaths as such apart from 1791-1860, 'dii' (died in infancy) or 'dy' (died young)
There is no specific info. on marriages apart from '=', 's.o. or d.o.' (son/dau of) with the name of the husband/wife (most have MS) (maiden surname) &/or 'WO' (widower/widow of x) &/or name of 2nd wife
I searched for an e.g. of one with more details than that of your family & as they're all different I decided to do a mock one i.e. not any exact family in the book but an example which incorporates all likely info. on any entry...
SUE 455 BL1471
John MacDonald 1791-1860 (s.o. Donald)) Lochboisdale
= (1) Mary MacIntyre 1803- (d.o. Alexander)
(widow of Ewen MacKinnon))
1 Angus 1825- 2 Archibald - 1827
3 Catherine 1829- = (1) Angus Gillies 1825-
(2) Peter MacKay (widower of Ann MacLellan) 1828-
4 Mary 1831-
5 Donald 1832-
= (2) Marion Morrison 1805-1877
6 Archibald (dy)
7 Margaret 1839-
John MacDonald and family emigrated from Lochboisdale in 1848 and settled in William Township, Middlesex County RCR, SC41, OC51, & 61, OBI, PLL
RCR? (I haven't found what it relates to), SC (Scottish Census), OBI (I haven't found what it relates to), PLL (Passenger List of the Lulan)
Hope the above helps & feel free to ask anymore questions relating to the writings & or other references in the book.
Annie
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Thanks Annie! That is the first I’ve seen or heard of Uachdar as being where they came from so that’s really interesting! I’ll do some research on that. I’m 99% sure this is them. The Lulan and Sarah Botsford are the 2 ships that may be ones they came on. I’m trying to figure out the brothers from this. I thought Donald only had one, Alexander, but I clearly see Neil listed with them (although as soldier/location “unknown”) in Canada on the 1861 census ALONG with Alexander. It appears Alexander was the oldest son and I’m starting to thing he came over earlier by himself as he is not listed on 1841 Scottish census but subsequent ones in Canada with the family. I appreciate you taking the time to convey all that information (:
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I’ve been looking into Donald McLeod’s siblings and while I believe I have his sisters figured out a bit now, one of his brothers, Neil, is proving to be a challenge to trace beyond the first few censuses in Canada. Born abt 1829-1831. Any ideas what war would Neil McLeod have been in in 1861 as he is listed as a soldier/location “unknown” on the census for West Williams, Middlesex, ON? I can’t seem to find him beyond that census. I did find a Neil McLeod in that area married to a Mary McDonald but marriage record has different parents so it can’t be him.
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Crimean war or the Victorian conflicts
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Replying to Northern Girl. Donald McLeod actually had 3 sisters Christina, Katherine and Annie, and 2 brothers: Neil and Alexander
Their parents were John McLeod and Sarah McIsaac. Benbecula is an island in between the 2 Uists.
They emigrated with a large group, John got sick en route so Sarah stayed awhile in Ingersoll where he died. The family then continued to West Williams Township where they farmed for awhile before moving to McGillivray Township.
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Neil did marry Mary McDonald, was still in West Williams in 1901
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Wow! Thank you Canton (: Where did you find this information? I have never heard why they stayed and then moved on from Ingersoll. Are you related somehow?
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Yes, Donald McLeod and Mary Robertson are my husband's great grandparents, and Katherine McLeod married Robert C. Stevenson. I know about John dying from an elderly aunt. Also that a large group was 'cleared' during the highland clearances, and came together on 3 emigrant ships, The Mount Stuart, The Atlantic, and the Tusker. John became ill on the journey, so Sarah and the children stayed in Ingersoll until after his death before joining the large group. They were headed for Bornish, Ontario, which is now Parkhill area.
I am interested to know if there is a listing in Bill Lawson's book for Alexander McLeod, possibly before his parents, as he wasn't listed with their group.
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Very interesting! Katherine McLeod would be my great grand aunt (: My dad said he had heard his great grandfather (Donald) had a brother who came over first before the rest. I’m thinking this is Alexander?? Do you know much about him? I believe he married Effie McDonald but I can’t find if they had children or where the ended up.
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I have also had difficulty in finding Alexander, not on any censuses, within 8 years of his proposed birthday. It is possible that he went to Michigan, as some nieces did. Neil is in West Williams, Lot 5, Conc 21. You can locate him and Donald on the 1878 McGill Atlas.
Mags posted sometime ago that she had photos of Donald and other family, I am wondering if there is any way to get copies of those photos. He is our direct grgranddad, married to Mary Robertson.
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If anyone has access to Bill Lawson's List of Emigrants (fromHarris), I would greatly appreciate a lookup for another connection to Donald McLeod family:
Kenneth McDonald (born 1808) and wife Jane McLeod (born 1817) emigrated in 1849 with 8 surviving children (2 had died in Harris):
Angus,
Margaret
Peigi
Norman
William
Mary
Murdoch
Alexander born in 1849 just before the journey
Is it also possible to see if they are in the 1841 Census?
I know this is a lot, but I have no way of finding this information, especially in days of lockdown! Thank you so much,
Wendy
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Yes! I have been in contact with Mags and I have a few pictures including a few of Donald McLeod and Mary Robertson (: Sooo excited to have found those!
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Not on an....ry, no. I have a hard time posting all my years of research on over 5000 people for free, and have them sell it to make a profit. I want it to be free for other people to refer to. I use an old Family Tree Maker, which crashed last week. Fortunately reclaimed most of it.
Do you live in the vicinity of Parkhill? I don't know how I could get copies of those photos, which I would love. Should it be done by private email?
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Is it also possible to see if they are in the 1841 Census
Have you tried FreeCEN https://freecen1.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl?
I had a look but without knowing approximately when the children were born it's difficult to know if you have the right family.
The only family I have found with father Kenneth and a child named Angus was in Dun, Glenelg:
Kenneth Macdonald 30
Mrs Macdonald 20
Mary Macdonald 5
Angus Macdonald 4
Remember that adults' ages in the 1841 were supposed to be rounded down to the nearest 5 years, so that gives a birth year between 1806 and 1811 for Kenneth and 1816 to 1821 for his wife.
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Thank you, forfarian, I haven't had much luck on freeCEN, so didn't even try to look there! Sorry. The only dates I have for children of Kenneth are born after 1841:
William born 1840
Mary born 1845
Murdoch born 1847
Alexander 1849
So our Angus and Mary would not have been in 1841.
Thanks for trying. I have only just received this old family 2 page 'history', so thought it worth a try for the census or emigration, I have not tried checking the censuses after their arrival in Canada. Will do so later!
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Thank you, forfarian, I haven't had much luck on freeCEN, so didn't even try to look there! Sorry. The only dates I have for children of Kenneth are born after 1841:
William born 1840
Mary born 1845
Murdoch born 1847
Alexander 1849
So our Angus and Mary would not have been in 1841.
So if your list is in order of age, Angus, Margaret, Peigi and Norman would all be older than William, and should be in the census?
Odd that they would name a child Peigi as well as naming one Margaret, because Peigi is a diminutive of Margaret.
See https://www.whatsinaname.net/php/search.php?action=search2&search_name=peigi
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Yes, it is odd, unless they were named after 2 favourite Grannies! And you are right, Angus, Margaret, Peigi, Norman and William should all be in the census.
I am wondering if they are in the list of Emigrants? I know they emigrated in 1849, probably with the masses that were cleared by Colonel Gordon.
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Absolutely Wendy! If you would like to give me your email, I will connect with you there (:
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I would like to chat with you, Northrn Girl, but I don't know how to connect with you without putting my email right here. How do I do it?
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Hi there.
You can exchange emails through the private PM (Personal Message) system here on RootsChat. Click on the little scroll under NorthrnGrl, or click on their user name to access 'send personal message'.
Please don't post your email out here in public.
PB
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Thank you, Polar Bear. I assumed I couldn't/shouldn't post my email, I think I have found the solution. I just don't want to dominate these posts with stuff that is just relevant to the 2 of us. We are closely connected. Thank you.
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I would like to chat with you, Northrn Girl, but I don't know how to connect with you without putting my email right here. How do I do it?
Click on the icon that looks like a sheet of paper with a corner bent down under her name, and you can send her your e-mail address by PM (Private Message).